Where is the FAF on the GPS 23 approach to KUCP?

Just curious, how would vectors to the NDB final fit in with the
requirements to vector outside the approach gate if no approach gate
exists? (There is no FAF)

FAAH 7110.65 Section 9. Radar Arrivals

5-9-1. VECTORS TO FINAL APPROACH COURSE

Except as provided in para 7-4-2, Vectors for Visual Approach, vector
arriving aircraft to intercept the final approach course:

a. At least 2 miles outside the approach gate unless one of the
following exists:

1. When the reported ceiling is at least 500 feet above the MVA/MIA and
the visibility is at least 3 miles (report may be a PIREP if no weather
is reported for the airport), aircraft may be vectored to intercept the
final approach course closer than 2 miles outside the approach gate but
no closer than the approach gate.

2. If specifically requested by the pilot, aircraft may be vectored to
intercept the final approach course inside the approach gate but no
closer than the final approach fix.

EXCEPTION. Conditions 1 and 2 above do not apply to RNAV aircraft being
vectored for a GPS or RNAV approach.


AIM Pilot/Controller Glossary
APPROACH GATE- An imaginary point used within ATC as a basis for
vectoring aircraft to the final approach course. The gate will be
established along the final approach course 1 mile from the final
approach fix on the side away from the airport and will be no closer
than 5 miles from the landing threshold.




Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Brad Z" wrote in message
news:83Vdc.3108$xn4.16249@attbi_s51...

Semi-related question: Can vectors be issued for this type
of approach?



Yes.



In addition to the verbiage of "vectors for the approach" it was
mentioned that ATC is required to specify distance from the FAF.
Can ATC just provide a vector to intercept the approach course
and provide distance to the missed approach point / Airport / navaid?

I've only flown one or two of these as full practice approaches, so

I'm curious if there was anything different about them.



ATC must issue position information relative to a fix on the final approach
course. If none is portrayed on the radar display, or if none is prescribed
in the procedure, position information is issued relative to the
navigational aid which provides final approach course guidance or relative
to the airport.