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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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Well, then you are incorrect. In the Puget Sound alone there are more
airports NOT addressed by the municipality name than that are.


What airports are in the Puget Sound?



Wrong. There is only one towered airport in Everett, WA, and yet the
tower is not addressed as "Everett Tower". In Orlando, FL, where there
are at three towered airports, one IS addressed as "Orlando". There are
so many exceptions to your "rule" than the rule you're claiming is
useless.


Huh? I said towers are usually addressed by the name of the primary
municipality served and cities having more than one towered airport are
probably the primary reason
it's "usually" and not "always". That doesn't mean that none of the towers
in those multi-tower cities will be addressed by the name of the primary
municipality served.



Your assertions are based on your own lack of knowledge and wishful
guesswork. They are hardly the product of actual information.


Actually, my assertions are based on fact, logic, and experience.



No, it won't.


That's unfortunate. It certainly should.



I have sufficient experience flying all over the US to know
what "usually" is the case. And what IS usually the case is that towered
airports are addressed by their NAME. The municipality is irrelevant,
except inasmuch as it is often used as the NAME of the airport.


That's not the case. Towers are usually addressed by the name of the
primary municipality served.



Telling someone to always use the municipality just because you believe
towered airports are usually named based on the municipality is stupid.


I didn't say that. I said towers are usually addressed by the name of the
primary municipality served. They are, check for yourself if you don't
believe me. The query sounded to me like the OP was looking for a rule of
thumb, so I gave it to him. If he was searching for hard data I'd have told
him to check the A/FD or an approach plate.



Of course you did. You certainly didn't state any sort of actual reliable
method for determining an answer to the original question. You were
either lying (which I don't believe is the case), or you were making a
suggestion as to how the original question might be answered.


I stated a fact.



I challenge you to demonstrate that in fact it is more reliable to use the
municipality name than the airport name to address the tower. All you
have to do is produce a list of every towered airport in the US, including
their name, the municipality, and the name used to address the tower and
calculate the percentage of that list in which the airport name matches
the tower address, and in which the municipality name matches the tower
address. If your rule is the correct one, then the percentage of matches
for the municipality name will be greater than the percentage of matches
for the airport name.

I'm sure that you cannot provide this data.


Of course I can. Let's start, for no particular reason whatsoever, with the
great state of Washington:


Airport City
Tower


BLI Bellingham Intl Bellingham
Bellingham
PAE Snohomish County-Paine Field Everett
Paine
MWH Grant County Intl Moses Lake
Grant County
OLM Olympia Olympia
Olympia
PSC Tri-Cities Pasco
Tri-Cities
RNT Renton Municipal Renton
Renton
SEA Seattle-Tacoma Intl Seattle
Seattle
BFI King County Intl-Boeing Field Seattle
Boeing
GEG Spokane Intl Spokane
Spokane
SFF Felts Field Spokane
Felts
TIW Tacoma Narrows Tacoma
Tacoma
ALW Walla Walla Regional Walla Walla
Walla Walla
YKM Yakima Air Terminal-McAllister Field Yakima
Yakima

By my count there are 13 civil or joint-use towered fields in Washington, 8
of the towers are addressed by the name of the primary municipality served.
I think that's 62%. Does your experience include Washington? Let's move
out to the adjacent states:


Airport City
Tower

BOI Boise Air Terminal-Gowen Field Boise
Boise
SUN Friedman Memorial Hailey
Hailey
IDA Idaho Falls Regional Idaho Falls
Idaho Falls
LWS Lewiston-Nez Perce County Lewiston
Lewiston
PIH Pocatello Regional Pocatello
Pocatello
TWF JoslinField-Magic Valley Regional Twin Falls Twin
falls
EUG Mahlon Sweet Field Eugene
Eugene
LMT Klamath Falls Intl Klamath Falls
Kingsley
MFR Rogue Valley Intl Medford
Medford
PDT Eastern Oregon Regional Pendleton
Pendleton
PDX Portland Intl Portland
Portland
HIO Portland-Hillsboro Portland
Hillsboro
TTD Portland-Troutdale Portland
Troutdale
RDM Roberts Field Redmond
Redmond
SLE McNary Field Salem
Salem

I make that 15 towers in Idaho and Oregon, 12 of which are addressed by the
name of the primary municipality served. I think that's about 80%. Does
your experience include Idaho and Oregon? Let's look at the rest of the
region:


Airport City
Tower

ASE Aspen-Pitkin County-Sardy Field Aspen
Aspen
COS City of Colorado Springs Municipal Colorado Springs Springs
DEN Denver International Denver
Denver
BJC Jeffco Denver
Jeffco
APA Centennial Denver
Centennial
FTG Front Range Denver
Front Range
EGE Eagle County Regional Eagle
Eagle
GJT Walker Field Grand
Junction Grand Junction
PUB Pueblo Memorial Pueblo
Pueblo
BIL Billings Logan Intl Billings
Billings
BZN Gallatin Field Bozeman
Bozeman
GTF Great Falls Intl Great Falls
Great Falls
HLN Helena Regional Helena
Helena
MSO Missoula Intl Missoula
Missoula
OGD Ogden-Hinckley Ogden
Ogden
SLC Salt Lake City Intl Salt Lake City
Salt Lake City
CPR Natrona County Intl Casper
Casper
CYS Cheyenne Regional Cheyenne
Cheyenne
GCC Gillette-Campbell County Gillette
Gillette
JAC Jackson Hole Jackson
Jackson

I make that 20 towers in Colorado, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming, 16 of which
are addressed by the name of the primary municipality served. I think
that's about 80%. Does your experience include these states? Let's look at
the other state you mentioned, Florida:


Airport City
Tower

BOW Bartow Municipal Bartow
Bartow
BCT Boca Raton Boca Raton
Boca Raton
DAB Daytona Beach Intl Daytona Beach
Daytona
FXE Fort Lauderdale Executive Fort Lauderdale
Executive
FLL Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood Intl Fort Lauderdale
Fort Lauderdale
RSW Southwest Florida Intl Fort Myers
Fort Myers
FMY Page Field Fort Myers
Page
FPR St. Lucie County Intl Fort Pierce
Fort Pierce
GNV Gainesville Regional Gainesville
Gainesville
HWO North Perry Hollywood
North Perry
JAX Jacksonville Intl Jacksonville
Jacksonville
VQQ Cecil Field Jacksonville
Cecil
CRG Craig Municipal Jacksonville
Craig
06FA William P. Gwinn Jupiter
Gwinn
EYW Key West Intl Key West
Key West
LAL Lakeland Linder Regional Lakeland
Lakeland
MLB Melbourne Intl Melbourne
Melbourne
MIA Miami Intl Miami
Miami
OPF Opa Locka Miami
Opa Locka
TMB Kendall-Tamiami Executive Miami
Tamiami
APF Naples Municipal Naples
Naples
EVB New Smyrna Beach Municipal New Smyrna Beach New
Smyrna
MCO Orlando Intl Orlando
Orlando
ORL Orlando Executive Orlando
Executive
ISM Kissimmee Gateway Orlando
Kissimmee
SFB Orlando Sanford Intl Orlando
Sanford
OMN Ormond Beach Municipal Ormond Beach
Ormond Beach
PFN Panama City-Bay County Intl Panama City
Panama City
PNS Pensacola Regional Pensacola
Pensacola
PMP Pompano Beach Pompano Beach
Pompano Beach
SRQ Sarasota-Bradenton Intl Sarasota/Bradenton
Sarasota/Bradenton
SGJ St. Augustine St.
Augustine St. Augustine
PIE St. Petersburg-Clearwater Intl St. Petersburg
St. Petersburg
SPG Albert Whitted St.
Petersburg Albert Whitted
SUA Witham Field Stuart
Stuart
TLH Tallahasee Regional Tallahasee
Tallahasee
TPA Tampa Intl Tampa
Tampa
TIX Space Coast Regional Titusville
Executive
VRB Vero Beach Municipal Vero Beach
Vero Beach
PBI Palm Beach Intl West Palm
Beach Palm Beach

I make that 40 towers in Florida, 24 of which are addressed by the name of
the primary municipality served. I think that's about 60%. Does your
experience include Florida? So where have you flown that it is usually the
case that towered airports are addressed by the name of the airport and not
the name of the primary municipality? It clearly isn't any of the states
you already mentioned.