Why did Bush join the national guard?

From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 3:59 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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He pulled strings to avoid combat.


What hard wvidence do you have of that?



He is not much of a man.


In your uninformed opinion.



He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO !




Arthur Kramer


Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you went
along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make your
opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think your
combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (B2431)
Date: 9/5/2004 3:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
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From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 3:59 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...

He pulled strings to avoid combat.


What hard wvidence do you have of that?



He is not much of a man.


In your uninformed opinion.



He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO !




Arthur Kramer


Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you went
along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make your
opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think your
combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission
including you.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission
including you.

You win grandpa... Can't fight someone's opinion with facts.

He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO !




Arthur Kramer


Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you went
along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make your
opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think your
combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission
including you.

You know, Art, I respect all who served their country. I haven't been
in the military but, as one of the protected. I respect my protectors-
all of them.

It's a little unseemly how you feel that your actions at least 58 years
ago somehow make your opinions on battle more worthy than others. You
flew in a plane and risked your life. I respect that fact but it just
doesn't make your opinon worth any more than anyone else. I can read
accounts of battle and I have heard plenty of vets tell me about what
they did in battle. My father served in WWII. He graduated as a
pharmacist in 1942 so, surprisingly, knowing how the military works,
the Navy assigned him to work in a hospital in Idaho. Considering how
many died and were injured, I'm glad of that because, if he hadn't had
such light duty, I might not be here. The point is, though, he was
doing the job his government asked him to do and did it to the best of
his ability. My Dad was a peaceful man and I just can't see him
shooting a gun at someone or dropping a bomb on them so I guess it was
lucky he was more valuable as a medic than as a warrior. I know that he
would have been a warrior if he was asked to do so but I'm afraid he
would have been better pushing pills than pulling triggers.

The point is that he did his part. He opinion about battle is no more
nor less valuable than yours.

raoul

Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: Raoul
Date: 9/5/2004 5:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
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He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO !




Arthur Kramer


Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you
went
along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make
your
opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think your
combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission
including you.

You know, Art, I respect all who served their country. I haven't been
in the military but, as one of the protected. I respect my protectors-
all of them.

It's a little unseemly how you feel that your actions at least 58 years
ago somehow make your opinions on battle more worthy than others. You
flew in a plane and risked your life. I respect that fact but it just
doesn't make your opinon worth any more than anyone else. I can read
accounts of battle and I have heard plenty of vets tell me about what
they did in battle. My father served in WWII. He graduated as a
pharmacist in 1942 so, surprisingly, knowing how the military works,
the Navy assigned him to work in a hospital in Idaho. Considering how
many died and were injured, I'm glad of that because, if he hadn't had
such light duty, I might not be here. The point is, though, he was
doing the job his government asked him to do and did it to the best of
his ability. My Dad was a peaceful man and I just can't see him
shooting a gun at someone or dropping a bomb on them so I guess it was
lucky he was more valuable as a medic than as a warrior. I know that he
would have been a warrior if he was asked to do so but I'm afraid he
would have been better pushing pills than pulling triggers.

The point is that he did his part. He opinion about battle is no more
nor less valuable than yours.

raoul


I never said it was. It is all crap you made up.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

national guard?
From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 7:26 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: Raoul
Date: 9/5/2004 5:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
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He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO !




Arthur Kramer


Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you
went
along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make
your
opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think
your
combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission
including you.

You know, Art, I respect all who served their country. I haven't been
in the military but, as one of the protected. I respect my protectors-
all of them.

It's a little unseemly how you feel that your actions at least 58 years
ago somehow make your opinions on battle more worthy than others. You
flew in a plane and risked your life. I respect that fact but it just
doesn't make your opinon worth any more than anyone else. I can read
accounts of battle and I have heard plenty of vets tell me about what
they did in battle. My father served in WWII. He graduated as a
pharmacist in 1942 so, surprisingly, knowing how the military works,
the Navy assigned him to work in a hospital in Idaho. Considering how
many died and were injured, I'm glad of that because, if he hadn't had
such light duty, I might not be here. The point is, though, he was
doing the job his government asked him to do and did it to the best of
his ability. My Dad was a peaceful man and I just can't see him
shooting a gun at someone or dropping a bomb on them so I guess it was
lucky he was more valuable as a medic than as a warrior. I know that he
would have been a warrior if he was asked to do so but I'm afraid he
would have been better pushing pills than pulling triggers.

The point is that he did his part. He opinion about battle is no more
nor less valuable than yours.

raoul


I never said it was. It is all crap you made up.


Arthur Kramer


Art, do you know you are lying when you do it? Read on:

"Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 6:05 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: (B2431)
Date: 9/5/2004 3:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
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From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/5/2004 3:59 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
Date: 9/5/2004 12:50 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...

He pulled strings to avoid combat.


What hard wvidence do you have of that?



He is not much of a man.


In your uninformed opinion.



He has the same combat record as you do. ZERO !




Arthur Kramer


Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because you went
along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs doesn't make your
opinions any more valid than anyone else's especially since you think your
combat is the most important historical event since Adam and Eve.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission
including you.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer"

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

ArtKramr wrote:

It makes my opinion far more valid than anyone who never flew a mission
including you.

You forgot the caveat of "real war" which includes only B-26s in the ETO
between 1943 and 1945.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

(B2431) wrote in
:

[snip]

Art, what on earth does that have to do with anything? Just because
you went along for a ride on combat missions and dropped a few bombs
doesn't make your opinions any more valid than anyone else's
especially since you think your combat is the most important
historical event since Adam and Eve.

Once upon a time we had "Tailgunner Joe" now we have "Bomb Aimer Art".
Neither apparently equipped with a sense of shame.

IBM

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