Pawnee TOST Hook Installation FAA Paperwork

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 9:30:01 AM UTC-5, Charles Longley wrote:
Good morning Bob. From a club standpoint it probably doesn’t make much difference. From a possible personal airplane that you let out for towing it would make difference. Restricted means just that. Towing glider or whatever the restriction is, ferry flights, training flights, etc. Look at 91.313

Standard Airworthiness certificate with a 337 for the tow hook is a reasonable route to go.

Good evening Charlie, it actually is up to the FSDO to determine if they want to change the restriction application. Some of them just leave them the way they were and do not worry about changing the restriction classification. Why change it?? Are you planning on teaching in the PAwnee, that would be very uncomfortable. There is no provision that states that you cannot fly the Pawnee anywhere you wish, I have had a couple of mine into some pretty big airports and never had an inspector ask me what I was spraying.
Keeping the Pawnee in the restricted category brings about many benefits. Bob

Evening Bob,

What are the benefits of staying in the restricted category? I am really curious. All 3 of the Pawnees I fly have a standard airworthiness certificate.

Regards,
Charlie

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 7:37:05 PM UTC-5, Charles Longley wrote:
Evening Bob,

What are the benefits of staying in the restricted category? I am really curious. All 3 of the Pawnees I fly have a standard airworthiness certificate.

Regards,
Charlie

Early morning Charlie, Export and import paperwork and cost, Maintenance cost IA vs AP, and making changes in things that do not change design. power or thrust. Another benefit is noise abatement restrictions or lack of.

Ditto all what Bob said

Well I found one thing you can’t do with a restricted airworthiness certificate. Fly into a foreign country without their express permission. One of the Pawnees I fly was in 50 Shades of Grey which was filmed in Canada. If I ever buy a personal Pawnee I’ll probably move it to a standard airworthiness certificate if it doesn’t have one already.

So that glider that illegally went into Canada can be aero retrieved but only if the tow plane has a standard airworthiness certificate.

On Monday, November 11, 2019 at 9:53:52 PM UTC-5, Charles Longley wrote:
So that glider that illegally went into Canada can be aero retrieved but only if the tow plane has a standard airworthiness certificate.

Good morning Charlie, give it up!!

Good morning Bob, never!!!

How about we agree to disagree?

On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-8, Bob Youngblood wrote:
On Sunday, November 10, 2019 at 9:30:01 AM UTC-5, Charles Longley wrote:
Good morning Bob. From a club standpoint it probably doesn’t make much difference. From a possible personal airplane that you let out for towing it would make difference. Restricted means just that. Towing glider or whatever the restriction is, ferry flights, training flights, etc. Look at 91.313

Standard Airworthiness certificate with a 337 for the tow hook is a reasonable route to go.

Good evening Charlie, it actually is up to the FSDO to determine if they want to change the restriction application. Some of them just leave them the way they were and do not worry about changing the restriction classification. Why change it?? Are you planning on teaching in the PAwnee, that would be very uncomfortable. There is no provision that states that you cannot fly the Pawnee anywhere you wish, I have had a couple of mine into some pretty big airports and never had an inspector ask me what I was spraying.
Keeping the Pawnee in the restricted category brings about many benefits. Bob

There is no provision that states that you cannot fly the [Restricted] Pawnee anywhere you wish

Yes, there is.

91.313 states:

(e) Except when operating in accordance with the terms and conditions of a certificate of waiver or special operating limitations issued by the Administrator, no person may operate a restricted category civil aircraft within the United States -

(1) Over a densely populated area;

(2) In a congested airway; or

(3) Near a busy airport where passenger transport operations are conducted.

This regulation is so vaguely written by the FAA as to being meaningless. Speaking from experience operation a restricted category aircraft ( duster), we run into these three “restrictions� all the time. One fsdo’s definition of densely populated is not the same as anothers. Same goes for a busy airway. As for pasenger carrying airport, every airport that has a guy giving his neighbor a ride, is a passenger carrying airport. These so called restrictions were designed to be vague for the specific purpose of giving the feds legal latitude in case of an incident.

I can tell you practically speaking they are ignored.