GLIDING INTERNATIONAL -- RESEARCH

Well, I don't think it has anything to do with North American
independent thinking.Â* More likely, it's that clubs in the US, at least
the ones I've been familiar with, are very poor financially as compared
to what I see on line about European clubs.Â* And motor gliders are
expensive.Â* As a board member of a club 20+ years ago, it was very
difficult to get membership approval of even the most useful expenditures.

On 11/11/2019 1:18 AM, Paul T wrote:
FFS most of the rest of the world uses a tried and tested way of
training for off airport landings - the use of a motorglider -why do you
North Americans have to do everything the hard way.........


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Dan, 5J

Just as I can't understand how the European clubs have such nice glider fleets, I suspect many Europeans don't understand how many general aviation airplanes litter America.

Gregg its one of the benefits of a free and capitalist based society. I make a nice side living collecting these neglected ships and restoring them. Sure don’t have that opportunity anywhere else.

OK, I know I shouldn't but I'll bite anyway..

What freedom do you think you have in the US that we in Western Europe
don't?



At 23:30 11 November 2019, wrote:
Gregg its one of the benefits of a free and capitalist based society. I
mak=
e a nice side living collecting these neglected ships and restoring them.
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ure don=E2=80=99t have that opportunity anywhere else.

On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 4:15:05 AM UTC-5, Peter F wrote:
OK, I know I shouldn't but I'll bite anyway..

What freedom do you think you have in the US that we in Western Europe
don't?
Guns, speech, moreso than Europe, though they are coming hard for both here. More airspace freedom. Probably more land use freedom in general, big country lots of variable rules. We're still freer than Western Europe but we are catching up quick.

In the UK "Freedom of expression" is guaranteed under the European
Convention on Human rights. The only real restriction is that it's illegal
to incite hate crimes.

You've got more Airspace, cos you've got more area away from airports

Interesting that the *first* on your list was guns.

I'll bow out now before this gets messy

PF

At 11:59 12 November 2019, wrote:
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 4:15:05 AM UTC-5, Peter F wrote:
OK, I know I shouldn't but I'll bite anyway..

What freedom do you think you have in the US that we in Western Europe
don't?
Guns, speech, moreso than Europe, though they are coming hard for both
here. More airspace freedom. Probably more land use freedom in general,
big country lots of variable rules. We're still freer than Western
Europe
but we are catching up quick.

On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 3:59:37 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 4:15:05 AM UTC-5, Peter F wrote:
OK, I know I shouldn't but I'll bite anyway..

What freedom do you think you have in the US that we in Western Europe
don't?
Guns, speech, moreso than Europe, though they are coming hard for both here. More airspace freedom. Probably more land use freedom in general, big country lots of variable rules. We're still freer than Western Europe but we are catching up quick.

November 7th was one year since I lost my former neighbor and outstanding community member to a mass shooter. https://www.foxla.com/video/622936?f...xB_X2bmiujVzFk

Justin was a teenager when we were neighbors. I in my late fifties Justin was in his High School years. While a child in age this young man was the type of community member you would want in your neighborhood. He would chat me up about my thrice weekly open water swims with my dog. He would help carry furniture to my second floor. He carried groceries into the house while I was recovery from knee surgery. He told me his plans for college and beyond. Hs Father a Career Navy SEAL officer. I cannot tell you enough how much of an asset Justin was to any community he would have been in. Justin died to the hot lead of one of you precious ****ing guns, while breaking windows to help other escape. In his final moment he was still helping the community.

Sounds like Justin was quite a guy and his loss was tragic.

But, Jonathan why do you blame the gun rather than the shooter?Â* Do you
blame cars for traffic deaths?Â* Unattended camp fires for wild fires?Â*
What makes guns the target when every other tragedy is rightfully blamed
on the person who caused it?

BTW, none of my guns have ever injured anybody and they never will,
unless that body is threatening me or my loved ones.

On 11/12/2019 4:20 PM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 3:59:37 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tuesday, November 12, 2019 at 4:15:05 AM UTC-5, Peter F wrote:
OK, I know I shouldn't but I'll bite anyway..

What freedom do you think you have in the US that we in Western Europe
don't?
Guns, speech, moreso than Europe, though they are coming hard for both here. More airspace freedom. Probably more land use freedom in general, big country lots of variable rules. We're still freer than Western Europe but we are catching up quick.
November 7th was one year since I lost my former neighbor and outstanding community member to a mass shooter. https://www.foxla.com/video/622936?f...xB_X2bmiujVzFk

Justin was a teenager when we were neighbors. I in my late fifties Justin was in his High School years. While a child in age this young man was the type of community member you would want in your neighborhood. He would chat me up about my thrice weekly open water swims with my dog. He would help carry furniture to my second floor. He carried groceries into the house while I was recovery from knee surgery. He told me his plans for college and beyond. Hs Father a Career Navy SEAL officer. I cannot tell you enough how much of an asset Justin was to any community he would have been in. Justin died to the hot lead of one of you precious ****ing guns, while breaking windows to help other escape. In his final moment he was still helping the community.

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Dan, 5J