Put your money where the risk is

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 10:30:21 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Tom,
It’s semantics my friend. “Luck (by definition) is good or bad fortune brought about by chance and not by ones own actions�.. So one cannot “make ones own luck�. I get what you’re saying and, of course, agree that good airmanship and good judgment increase safety absolutely.
Dale

Well, that may be your definition, but it isn't mine. Luck will often be affected by your actions; your "luck" of a glider accident will be markedly improved if you don't fly at all. Your "luck" of landing out will be markedly improved if you only fly locally. Your "luck" of a mid-air will be markedly improved if you fly alone, and markedly reduced if you fly in contests. So I don't buy the theory that luck is not affected by "one's own actions." Luck only means that the outcome of a particular event can only be described with a probability function, not that you have no control over that function.

Again, you are over-thinking this - it's pretty basic: do more smart things and fewer dumb things to stay safe.

Tom

I feel this sudden urge to read Lewis Carroll.

T8

This thread has definitely outlived its usefullness.
Luck vs proper airmanship, stick n rudder skills vs mental state, forward thinking vs presumption, this horse has been flogged enough.

Fly thoughtful, improve/add flight skills every year, progress don’t digress, fly and enjoy your bird! If you want to take risks, thats your business, one mans risky behavior is not necessarily anothers. Just as long as your risk or presumption does not affect my health flying in the gaggle with you. We can let darwinism have its course.

On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 11:26:21 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 10:30:21 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Tom,
It’s semantics my friend. “Luck (by definition) is good or bad fortune brought about by chance and not by ones own actions�. So one cannot “make ones own luck�. I get what you’re saying and, of course, agree that good airmanship and good judgment increase safety absolutely.
Dale

Well, that may be your definition, but it isn't mine. Luck will often be affected by your actions; your "luck" of a glider accident will be markedly improved if you don't fly at all. Your "luck" of landing out will be markedly improved if you only fly locally. Your "luck" of a mid-air will be markedly improved if you fly alone, and markedly reduced if you fly in contests.. So I don't buy the theory that luck is not affected by "one's own actions.." Luck only means that the outcome of a particular event can only be described with a probability function, not that you have no control over that function.

Again, you are over-thinking this - it's pretty basic: do more smart things and fewer dumb things to stay safe.

Tom

Make your own luck, or luck of the draw :
https://www.fomento.gob.es/recursos_...2011_a_eng.pdf

On Sunday, December 1, 2019 at 6:49:40 PM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 11:26:21 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Saturday, November 30, 2019 at 10:30:21 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Tom,
It’s semantics my friend. “Luck (by definition) is good or bad fortune brought about by chance and not by ones own actions�. So one cannot “make ones own luck�. I get what you’re saying and, of course, agree that good airmanship and good judgment increase safety absolutely.
Dale

Well, that may be your definition, but it isn't mine. Luck will often be affected by your actions; your "luck" of a glider accident will be markedly improved if you don't fly at all. Your "luck" of landing out will be markedly improved if you only fly locally. Your "luck" of a mid-air will be markedly improved if you fly alone, and markedly reduced if you fly in contests. So I don't buy the theory that luck is not affected by "one's own actions." Luck only means that the outcome of a particular event can only be described with a probability function, not that you have no control over that function.

Again, you are over-thinking this - it's pretty basic: do more smart things and fewer dumb things to stay safe.

Tom

Make your own luck, or luck of the draw :
https://www.fomento.gob.es/recursos_...2011_a_eng.pdf

Yeah, Sully hit some birds, too, and it took down an A-320. Sometimes you just roll snake eyes.

Tom

Tell us more about this 'Airmanship' religion. I'm sure many of us here are interested in salvation. Does Airmanship have a worthy god? Hymnals? Tithing? Do we have to wear silly dresses or silly hats?

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 6:38:15 AM UTC-7, wrote:
Tell us more about this 'Airmanship' religion. I'm sure many of us here are interested in salvation. Does Airmanship have a worthy god? Hymnals? Tithing? Do we have to wear silly dresses or silly hats?

It is an orthodox sect of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (https://www.spaghettimonster.org/), also known as the "Pastafarians." Worshipping "His Noodly Goodness," followers have a tendency to wear colanders as hats and revere pirates.

And to prefer to fly nothing more modern than the Iron Flugel.




At 14:56 02 December 2019, wrote:
On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 6:38:15 AM UTC-7,
wrote:
Tell us more about this 'Airmanship' religion. I'm sure many of us
here
are interested in salvation. Does Airmanship have a worthy god?
Hymnals?
Tithing? Do we have to wear silly dresses or silly hats?

It is an orthodox sect of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
(https://www.spaghettimonster.org/), also known as the "Pastafarians."
Worshipping "His Noodly Goodness," followers have a tendency to wear
colanders as hats and revere pirates.

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 8:38:15 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Tell us more about this 'Airmanship' religion. I'm sure many of us here are interested in salvation. Does Airmanship have a worthy god? Hymnals? Tithing? Do we have to wear silly dresses or silly hats?

Tom explained himself adequately. He's a bit hard to parse because he insists on defining commonly used words and terms differently than the rest of the world (hence the Lewis Carroll reference I made earlier), but I think anyone can get the gist now.

It's clear to me now that what he means by "making my own luck" is in fact "not trusting to luck". What he means by CFIT is in fact "Controlled flight into a situation that any sensible pilot would avoid".

T8

On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 8:13:21 AM UTC-8, Tango Eight wrote:
On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 8:38:15 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Tell us more about this 'Airmanship' religion. I'm sure many of us here are interested in salvation. Does Airmanship have a worthy god? Hymnals? Tithing? Do we have to wear silly dresses or silly hats?

Tom explained himself adequately. He's a bit hard to parse because he insists on defining commonly used words and terms differently than the rest of the world (hence the Lewis Carroll reference I made earlier), but I think anyone can get the gist now.

It's clear to me now that what he means by "making my own luck" is in fact "not trusting to luck". What he means by CFIT is in fact "Controlled flight into a situation that any sensible pilot would avoid".

T8

I won't disagree with that, but "making your own luck" means manipulating circumstances to increase the odds of a good outcome. Things as simple as getting multiple weather reports and viewing NOTAMs in your region fall into this category. Also is is walking potential landing fields. In other words, making your own luck is evaluating potential risks and taking measures, including not flying, to mitigate those risks.

Now this discussion has degenerated into a ridiculous belittling of fundamental airmanship. Apparently, they don't even get the mandatory weather briefing before flying. I can only hope that none of those individuals are CFIGs.

Tom