15 Hour Wonders

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 7:39:08 PM UTC-5, Paul Agnew wrote:
Bob Youngblood said:

Agnew, get a life, you could not even stay behind the tow plane and blamed it on you daughters hair. Glad you took the the bait. Bob

Standard response. You need a new line, Bob. And, internet trolling does not make you look better.

So, you're calling ME the 15 hour wonder? That's hilarious...and a bit sad to see from you - a founder and leader of the Treasure Coast Soaring Club. Have you seen my logbook? Do you have any idea of what I did to prepare for my checkride and where I've flown over the past four-plus years? Getting my CFI-G somewhere else instead of with your club must have really stuck in your craw for some reason. Don't take it personally.

So, kiting...let's put it out there. The lesson I learned is a badge of honor. Two years ago I briefly kited when I looked away from the towplane for a second to check on where I would go if the rope broke. (West side of Quad Lakes...empty lots...) I immediately corrected and was reaching for the release, but had the towplane in sight and was able to easily get back into position. As soon as I landed, I went right over and spoke with the tow pilot to apologize and to see if he had any feedback for me. He said he just thought I was letting my daughter fly and said he sees worse with students.. (As you know, this was her first flight with me after her cancer surgery to remove her knee. Thanks for using her for your baseless vendetta.) I spoke with our "chief flight instructor" about it, got some pointers, and it was put to bed by everyone else but you for some reason. It was a great lesson learned for me. I commented on her mane of hair and how it needed to be tied back so I could see the panel, but I never blamed the kiting on it. That was on me. I admit my mistakes and learn from them.

You must have been satisfied at the time since you pressed me to give a number of revenue rides soon after. Money talks, I guess.

Now, I sure you don't want all of the Treasure Coast Soaring Club dirty laundry aired out here, so I'll just wish you well with the upcoming annual club meeting and hope to see TCSC turn the corner some day.

Paul

Yes Alfred, you are a 15 hour wonder. Probably 12 taking away those hours that you logged in the back seat of a reputable guys ship! Maybe I should post all those letters to the club that you sent. shall I go any further? So glad that you are gone, wishing you well in your new flying site. Bob

Is everyone enjoying this, yet? See the pattern?

You got me. My first name is Alfred. It was my father's name and I've was teased about it back when I was a child. You're the first adult to try it.

Feel free to post any of the emails I've sent regarding the club when I was tasked with trying to help organize the chaos. Hell, I may post them just for posterity.

Remember, I was recruited to go back on the board last year to help straighten things out and left after being duly elected when you orchestrated a revote to get yourself back on the board under dubious pretenses. This is a hobby - something we do for fun and I let you have your party without my help and to eliminate the growing liability. Newsflash - I just turned down another request this week to come get back on the board with the same hollow promise that you were taking a lesser role. Fool me once...

Post your own emails while you're at it. I'm sure everyone will find them entertaining.

Finally, I caution you against making false statements about my experience. You're patently wrong and are fabricating your assertions out of thin air with the intent to slander me. It's petty and embarrassing to watch.

Alfred "Alfie" Agnew

Respectfully - could we please get back on topic and leave the personal vendettas to a private venue?
Matt

I recall there was a fatal accident in Hawaii a decade ago or so with a very low time, young instructor who was only flying for few weeks. Very little experience but met the minimum the FAA requires. IIRC he did not manage to recover from a spin.
I don’t have a link but I am sure one can search for it in the NTSB site.

Ramy

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 9:10:47 PM UTC-8, Ramy wrote:
I recall there was a fatal accident in Hawaii a decade ago or so with a very low time, young instructor who was only flying for few weeks. Very little experience but met the minimum the FAA requires. IIRC he did not manage to recover from a spin.
I don’t have a link but I am sure one can search for it in the NTSB site.

Ramy

Here is what you are referring to:

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...Final&IType=LA

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:38:16 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 9:10:47 PM UTC-8, Ramy wrote:
I recall there was a fatal accident in Hawaii a decade ago or so with a very low time, young instructor who was only flying for few weeks. Very little experience but met the minimum the FAA requires. IIRC he did not manage to recover from a spin.
I don’t have a link but I am sure one can search for it in the NTSB site.

Ramy

Here is what you are referring to:

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...Final&IType=LA

Yes, that was a glider pilot who had only been qualified for three weeks.

On Tuesday, December 10, 2019 at 2:38:16 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 9:10:47 PM UTC-8, Ramy wrote:
I recall there was a fatal accident in Hawaii a decade ago or so with a very low time, young instructor who was only flying for few weeks. Very little experience but met the minimum the FAA requires. IIRC he did not manage to recover from a spin.
I don’t have a link but I am sure one can search for it in the NTSB site.

Ramy

Here is what you are referring to:

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...Final&IType=LA

The SSA also made the statement that the pilot in question had been given a quick path to his rating. The NTSB noted lack of experience and inadequate training. This is exactly the message conveyed in the original post, 15 hour wonder. The standards are set to a minimum, which IMHO results in low experience instructors not capable of teaching proper techniques.

On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 11:38:16 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Monday, December 9, 2019 at 9:10:47 PM UTC-8, Ramy wrote:
I recall there was a fatal accident in Hawaii a decade ago or so with a very low time, young instructor who was only flying for few weeks. Very little experience but met the minimum the FAA requires. IIRC he did not manage to recover from a spin.
I don’t have a link but I am sure one can search for it in the NTSB site.

Ramy

Here is what you are referring to:

https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...Final&IType=LA

I read this report and I have several hundred hours in 2-32's. Sometime's mishap responsibility lays with the entire organization. For those that do not know a 2-32 is a great honest aircraft, just like a T-6 or SNJ, but ham fist it and you will end up in a spin. There is no way I would let a pilot with 48 hours total time fly one of these birds with passengers! While flying a 2-32 I have experienced an over the top spin entry out of a slip (just in one particular 2-32 and only slipping left wing down) I have had another 2-32 go from a spin to a spiral in ¼ turn. If you are low time this bird is best experienced with someone that knows what they are doing, in my humble opinion. I do love flying a 2-32 though.