FAI ratifies records of illegal flights.

I'm astonished that everyone seems to be OK with "winning" recognition
by not completing a task under the established rules.

I once denied a Diamond Distance claim because the turn point picture
was taken outside of the zone.Â* Remember cameras and barographs?Â* The
pilot had shot three pictures (prematurely due to his excitement) and,
by connecting the pictures to show his flight path, it was clear to me
that he had, indeed, turned the point.Â* But the rules were specific.

I was once denied my Diamond Distance claim because, since the turn
point was covered by a thunder storm, I took a picture of a nearby
(within a mile) road intersection.Â* Sure, I flew the distance, but I did
not meet the letter of the rule.Â* I simply flew a different flight at a
later date.

So, I think that, should I attempt a 1,000 km flight in my Stemme, and I
need to run the engine for just a minute or so to avoid landing short of
home, I'll submit the claim and expect it to be approved.Â* I know I'll
get a lot of support here, since it's only just a little bit outside the
rules.

On 12/27/2019 7:40 AM, wrote:
Hey its great they were granted the record, as someone said, more power to them. I hope I can get the same minor consideration on a record flight.

Years ago I missed out on my diamond goal by 1/8 of a mile in a low performance machine. I made all my turnpoints, the pictures were good, but my OO was a wonderfull old minden soaring legend by the name of Marcel Goudinat. Being german, everything he did was with german precision. When he measured off my declaration (pre gps days) on the sectional, he told me I was 1/8 mile short. It did’nt matter that I had probably flown an extra 20 miles that day working around areas of OD, I was still deemed to be short lol.

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Dan, 5J

On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:12:47 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
I'm astonished that everyone seems to be OK with "winning" recognition
by not completing a task under the established rules.

I once denied a Diamond Distance claim because the turn point picture
was taken outside of the zone.Â* Remember cameras and barographs?Â* The
pilot had shot three pictures (prematurely due to his excitement) and,
by connecting the pictures to show his flight path, it was clear to me
that he had, indeed, turned the point.Â* But the rules were specific.

I was once denied my Diamond Distance claim because, since the turn
point was covered by a thunder storm, I took a picture of a nearby
(within a mile) road intersection.Â* Sure, I flew the distance, but I did
not meet the letter of the rule.Â* I simply flew a different flight at a
later date.

So, I think that, should I attempt a 1,000 km flight in my Stemme, and I
need to run the engine for just a minute or so to avoid landing short of
home, I'll submit the claim and expect it to be approved.Â* I know I'll
get a lot of support here, since it's only just a little bit outside the
rules.

On 12/27/2019 7:40 AM, wrote:
Hey its great they were granted the record, as someone said, more power to them. I hope I can get the same minor consideration on a record flight.

Years ago I missed out on my diamond goal by 1/8 of a mile in a low performance machine. I made all my turnpoints, the pictures were good, but my OO was a wonderfull old minden soaring legend by the name of Marcel Goudinat. Being german, everything he did was with german precision. When he measured off my declaration (pre gps days) on the sectional, he told me I was 1/8 mile short. It did’nt matter that I had probably flown an extra 20 miles that day working around areas of OD, I was still deemed to be short lol.

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Dan, 5J

I was denied a diamond goal when I had a logged position on either side of the 90 degree zone and a line could be drawn that would have crossed the zone, but because I made a sharp turn there was not a logged point in the sector. Flew it again, but for some reason my logger had a 2 minute gap in the logged flight. Third time was the charm.

There ya go!Â* Congratulations on the flight.

I completed Silver in a Mosquito, Gold plus one Diamond in an ASW-19,
and the remaining two Diamonds in an LS-6.Â* All with declaration sheet,
camera, and barograph, and not all on the first attempt.

I salute those guys who do it in a 1-26, especially east of the Mississippi.

BTW, anyone want to buy a camera and barograph (not certified in over 25
years)?

On 12/27/2019 10:35 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Friday, December 27, 2019 at 9:12:47 AM UTC-8, Dan Marotta wrote:
I'm astonished that everyone seems to be OK with "winning" recognition
by not completing a task under the established rules.

I once denied a Diamond Distance claim because the turn point picture
was taken outside of the zone.Â* Remember cameras and barographs?Â* The
pilot had shot three pictures (prematurely due to his excitement) and,
by connecting the pictures to show his flight path, it was clear to me
that he had, indeed, turned the point.Â* But the rules were specific.

I was once denied my Diamond Distance claim because, since the turn
point was covered by a thunder storm, I took a picture of a nearby
(within a mile) road intersection.Â* Sure, I flew the distance, but I did
not meet the letter of the rule.Â* I simply flew a different flight at a
later date.

So, I think that, should I attempt a 1,000 km flight in my Stemme, and I
need to run the engine for just a minute or so to avoid landing short of
home, I'll submit the claim and expect it to be approved.Â* I know I'll
get a lot of support here, since it's only just a little bit outside the
rules.

On 12/27/2019 7:40 AM, wrote:
Hey its great they were granted the record, as someone said, more power to them. I hope I can get the same minor consideration on a record flight.

Years ago I missed out on my diamond goal by 1/8 of a mile in a low performance machine. I made all my turnpoints, the pictures were good, but my OO was a wonderfull old minden soaring legend by the name of Marcel Goudinat. Being german, everything he did was with german precision. When he measured off my declaration (pre gps days) on the sectional, he told me I was 1/8 mile short. It did’nt matter that I had probably flown an extra 20 miles that day working around areas of OD, I was still deemed to be short lol.
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Dan, 5J
I was denied a diamond goal when I had a logged position on either side of the 90 degree zone and a line could be drawn that would have crossed the zone, but because I made a sharp turn there was not a logged point in the sector. Flew it again, but for some reason my logger had a 2 minute gap in the logged flight. Third time was the charm.

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Dan, 5J

On 12/27/2019 10:12 AM, Dan Marotta wrote:
I'm astonished that everyone seems to be OK with "winning" recognition by
not completing a task under the established rules.

I once denied a Diamond Distance claim because the turn point picture was
taken outside of the zone...snip...[b]ut the rules were specific.

I was once denied my Diamond Distance claim because, since the turn point
was covered by a thunder storm, I took a picture of a nearby (within a
mile) road intersection...


On 12/27/2019 7:40 AM, wrote:
snip
Years ago I missed out on my diamond goal by 1/8 of a mile in a low
performance machine. I made all my turnpoints, the pictures were good,
but [my O.O.] told me I was 1/8 mile short. It didn't matter that I had
probably flown an extra 20 miles that day working around areas of OD, I
was still deemed to be short lol.


BTDT - denied a badge claim for 'a technical infraction' (photos taken outside
the rules' sector) while acting as O.O. Spent more time
explaining-to/consoling applicant than was spent analyzing the photos.
'Rightly' he was mostly disappointed, as distinct from combative, hence the
commiseration. I'll bet Big Bucks he felt better after later achieving -
within the rules - that particular goal on a subsequent attempt.

I submit that anyone who deems it sufficiently important 'to the world' to
claim a flight (record or not) as 'completed within the rules' (a reasonable,
if oft-hidden assumption of Joe Casual Peruser of such flights) - when it is
NOT so completed - is a strange creature indeed...a person who can live with
himself and go to sleep with a peaceful mind knowing rules intended ONLY for
peer approval (as distinct from - say- monetary reward, etc.) were not
followed. A person comfortable lying to himself and lying to the world.
Perhaps for some...

Philosophically pondering,

Bob W.

Are you equating taking photos that actually show you made the turn but not taken within the letter of the rule the same as getting yourself in a sketchy area on a XC and turning on your engine and motoring the distance To safety?

You must be kidding.

DC

Simply trying to show how silly this whole thing is.Â* Yes, kidding.

On 12/30/2019 8:44 AM, Dennis Cavagnaro wrote:
Are you equating taking photos that actually show you made the turn but not taken within the letter of the rule the same as getting yourself in a sketchy area on a XC and turning on your engine and motoring the distance To safety?

You must be kidding.

DC

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Dan, 5J