Now the neocons are inventng forgeries

Subject: Now the neocons are inventng forgeries
From: Ian MacLure
Date: 9/11/2004 2:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
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(ArtKramr) wrote in news:20040911075858.15758.00000385@mb-
m13.aol.com:

What a disgusting bunch of liares those Neocons are.

I suppose I'd be wasting my time pointing out
this isn't doing your rep any good. Particularly
in light of the constant stream of revelations
confirming almost beyond discussion ( except for senile
old loons ) that the documents are forgeries by incompetents.

IBM



My "rep" as you put it seems to be a matter of constant concern for you. My rep
is important to me. But only among certain select groups. My rep as far as the
crew I flew with is very important to me as well as Maj. Foote my squadron
(494th) commander and Colonel Wittty my group commander. And also important are
my students at the New School for Social Research in New York where I taught
for many years, and the readers of my articles in Modern Photography magazine
were also important to me. Also my website and its readers which have just
reached 60,000 hits and is used as a study text in the history department at
UNLV. Note that you are not on the list. But I assure you that I mean no
offense in leaving you off the list. It's nothing personal.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

Also my website and its readers which have just
reached 60,000 hits and is used as a study text in the history department at
UNLV.

Remind me to never engage a UNLV History degree holder on WW II. The discussion
will be too inaccurate and way too familiar.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: Now the neocons are inventng forgeries
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 9/12/2004 4:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:

Also my website and its readers which have just
reached 60,000 hits and is used as a study text in the history department at
UNLV.

Remind me to never engage a UNLV History degree holder on WW II. The
discussion
will be too inaccurate and way too familiar.


BUFDRVR


Why would anyone interested in WW II want to discuss it with you?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/12/2004 7:05 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Now the neocons are inventng forgeries
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 9/12/2004 4:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:

Also my website and its readers which have just
reached 60,000 hits and is used as a study text in the history department
at
UNLV.

Remind me to never engage a UNLV History degree holder on WW II. The
discussion
will be too inaccurate and way too familiar.


BUFDRVR


Why would anyone interested in WW II want to discuss it with you?


Arthur Kramer

Perhaps UNLV uses your site as an example of a biased source created by a
blowhard.

Tell us again how the war couldn't have been won without you.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Subject: Now the neocons are inventng forgeries
From: (B2431)
Date: 9/12/2004 6:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
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From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/12/2004 7:05 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Now the neocons are inventng forgeries
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 9/12/2004 4:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:

Also my website and its readers which have just
reached 60,000 hits and is used as a study text in the history department
at
UNLV.

Remind me to never engage a UNLV History degree holder on WW II. The
discussion
will be too inaccurate and way too familiar.


BUFDRVR


Why would anyone interested in WW II want to discuss it with you?


Arthur Kramer

Perhaps UNLV uses your site as an example of a biased source created by a
blowhard.

Tell us again how the war couldn't have been won without you.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Sure could have been won without you.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/12/2004 8:44 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Now the neocons are inventng forgeries
From: (B2431)
Date: 9/12/2004 6:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
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From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/12/2004 7:05 PM Central Daylight Time
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Subject: Now the neocons are inventng forgeries
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 9/12/2004 4:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:

Also my website and its readers which have just
reached 60,000 hits and is used as a study text in the history department
at
UNLV.

Remind me to never engage a UNLV History degree holder on WW II. The
discussion
will be too inaccurate and way too familiar.


BUFDRVR


Why would anyone interested in WW II want to discuss it with you?


Arthur Kramer

Perhaps UNLV uses your site as an example of a biased source created by a
blowhard.

Tell us again how the war couldn't have been won without you.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


Sure could have been won without you.


Arthur Kramer

It was.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

ArtKramr wrote:

Why would anyone interested in WW II want to discuss it with you?

Because I'm knowledgeable on the subject, in fact I know more about it than at
least 1 B-26 bombardier, although that really isn't saying much.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: Now the neocons are inventng forgeries
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 9/13/2004 2:40 PM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:

Why would anyone interested in WW II want to discuss it with you?

Because I'm knowledgeable on the subject, in fact I know more about it than
at
least 1 B-26 bombardier, although that really isn't saying much.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


You don't understand cabdrvr. WW II was a real shooting war. You may not
believe this but men went out on missions and some never came back. Hard to
believe since that is war outside your personal experience. But believe me, it
is true. I believe personal experience is worth more than just reading books.
But maybe you should read a few books on WW II and find out what a real
shooting war is all about Of course the book will never give you the feeling
you might get over the heavily defended Cologne marshalling yards, but try to
imagine what it was like. If you can't experience it, you can at least dream
about it. Then you can tell everyone how much you know about WW II.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Art wrote:
You don't understand cabdrvr. WW II was a real shooting war. You may not
believe this but men went out on missions and some never came back. Hard to
believe since that is war outside your personal experience.

Hey Art,
Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Mexican War, Civil War, Spanish American War,
WWI, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm and others were all "Shooting Wars". What
gives you the expertise on ALL wars?
ETO in WWII also consisted of more than B-26 missions.
Your service is appreciated, but you are not the fountain of all knowledge
about war and definitely not an expert about all things military.
For the past year you have been presenting yourself as a bitter old man.
What the hell is up with you?

Rick Clark

Subject: Now the neocons are inventng forgeries
From: (OXMORON1)
Date: 9/14/2004 6:24 AM Pacific Standard Time
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Art wrote:
You don't understand cabdrvr. WW II was a real shooting war. You may not
believe this but men went out on missions and some never came back. Hard to
believe since that is war outside your personal experience.

Hey Art,
Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Mexican War, Civil War, Spanish American War,
WWI, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm and others were all "Shooting Wars". What
gives you the expertise on ALL wars?
ETO in WWII also consisted of more than B-26 missions.
Your service is appreciated, but you are not the fountain of all knowledge
about war and definitely not an expert about all things military.
For the past year you have been presenting yourself as a bitter old man.
What the hell is up with you?

Rick Clark


I'm not bitter at all. In fact I have had a very good,productive adventurious
life with a good deal of success along the way. And I am now comfortably
retired enjoying the university, my skeet shooting as well as a good deal of
photographic work. It is just that I never suffer fools gladly and care when my
country falls into evil incompetent hands. And I'll speak out clearly and
boldly in that case.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer