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This is pure fantasy.

Why Eisenhover in his book "Crusade in Europa" stated that if the occupation of
Germany delayed only by a couple of months,mankind would have faced its
biggest disaster.
Dont forget Germany was practically defeated in 1942 and in 1945 Wehrmacht
could find only kids and senior citizens to fill its ranks.
So how could such badly defeated country present such a gigantic danger if
allies were late only by a couple of months?.
Answer was Third Reichs S-weapons program which included nuclear weapons.

With exception of SS own nuclear program Anglo management was aware of every
development in third reich,including the achivements of von Ardenne/Houtermanns
and Diebner teams.
So they with exception of SS work had an excellent picture of German research
and they concluded that the Germans were two years ahead of Manhattan Project
and the gap was was widening.
So D-Day was the only way to prevent Germany becoming worlds first and sole
nuclear power.

It is just possible that a small amount of captured German fissile material
was used against Japan.

Not a small amount ,the enriched uran production spike that you can see in June
45,is solely due German stocks.

Situation of Manhattan Project in April was totally hopeless,they could build
an Uran bomb but there was no Uran for that and it was impossible to produce
enough Uran till bomb deadline,on other hand they had enough plutonium for a
pluto bomb but they were unable to design an igniter for that.
So they had basically an Uran bomb without uran and a plutonium bomb without
igniter !.
Their worst nighmare became a reality in the spring of 45 .
But everything changed almost overnight with occupation of Germany and the
arrival of U-234

This is pure fantasy.

No only the least known fact,if u-234 completed her voyage, Japan would become
worlds second nuclear power not US.

"Denyav" wrote in message
...
This is pure fantasy.

Why Eisenhover in his book "Crusade in Europa" stated that if the
occupation of
Germany delayed only by a couple of months,mankind would have faced its
biggest disaster.
Dont forget Germany was practically defeated in 1942

Not at all! In 1942 the tide was just beginning to turn against Germany. Far
from 'practcally defeated'

and in 1945 Wehrmacht
could find only kids and senior citizens to fill its ranks.
So how could such badly defeated country present such a gigantic danger
if
allies were late only by a couple of months?.
Answer was Third Reichs S-weapons program which included nuclear weapons.

Your problem seems to be that you cannot distinguish between plans and
realities. We all know about all the wonderful weapons that the different
branches of the Third Reich had *planned*.

In reality, they struggled. This was the regime that never launched an
aircraft carrier, and never built a convincing four-engined bomber. Whose
leader fiddled away the days while his empire collapsed, sketching designs
for post-war architectural projects.

It was more excusable for Eisenhower to proceed on worst-case assumptions
about the German nuclear programme in 1944 than it is for you to believe it
60 years later, when 60 years of research have failed to come up with any
evidence at all for the things you are saying.

With exception of SS own nuclear program Anglo management was aware of
every
development in third reich,including the achivements of von
Ardenne/Houtermanns
and Diebner teams.
So they with exception of SS work had an excellent picture of German
research
and they concluded that the Germans were two years ahead of Manhattan
Project
and the gap was was widening.
So D-Day was the only way to prevent Germany becoming worlds first and
sole
nuclear power.

It is just possible that a small amount of captured German fissile
material
was used against Japan.

Not a small amount ,the enriched uran production spike that you can see in
June
45,is solely due German stocks.

Situation of Manhattan Project in April was totally hopeless,they could
build
an Uran bomb but there was no Uran for that and it was impossible to
produce
enough Uran till bomb deadline,on other hand they had enough plutonium for
a
pluto bomb but they were unable to design an igniter for that.
So they had basically an Uran bomb without uran and a plutonium bomb
without
igniter !.

What is an igniter?

Their worst nighmare became a reality in the spring of 45 .
But everything changed almost overnight with occupation of Germany and the
arrival of U-234

This is pure fantasy.

No only the least known fact,if u-234 completed her voyage, Japan would
become
worlds second nuclear power not US.

How would they have done that without the know-how they and the Nazis
lacked? Are we to assume that both the Japanese and the Germans possessed
the ability to make an 'igniter' (whatever that is) and yet the Americans
did not?

Denyav, believe me, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone. But
where is your actual evidence for these beliefs?

And please don't say it depends on secret papers which only you or a man you
met in a pub have access to!

John

"John Mullen" wrote in message
...
"Denyav" wrote in message


And please don't say it depends on secret papers which only you or a man
you met in a pub have access to!

John


Aw now you have called his bluff.

Keith

Aw now you have called his bluff.

Keith


Sorry,Mr.Willshaw but is 75 years not enough?

From: (Denyav)
Date: 9/12/2004 12:57 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Aw now you have called his bluff.

Keith


Sorry,Mr.Willshaw but is 75 years not enough?

Your Nazi regime wasn't in power 75 years ago.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Your Nazi regime wasn't in power 75 years ago.

First of all Anglos made the arrangements with Kammler,another perfect example
of famous Anglo pragmatism.
It was also the Anglos who put all documents connected with German advanced
weapons development under lock for 75 years.

From: (Denyav)
Date: 9/13/2004 1:56 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Your Nazi regime wasn't in power 75 years ago.

First of all Anglos made the arrangements with Kammler,another perfect
example
of famous Anglo pragmatism.
It was also the Anglos who put all documents connected with German advanced
weapons development under lock for 75 years.

Why is it you have never provided verifiable proof of any of your claims?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Not at all! In 1942 the tide was just beginning to turn against Germany. Far
from 'practcally defeated'

Unlike Anglo led global alliance that had almost unlimited material and human
resources,Germans had exteremely small resources,so when their advances were
stopped or even slowed down only,they were basically defeated,they had no
resources to fight a prolonged war.

Your problem seems to be that you cannot distinguish between plans and
realities. We all know about all the wonderful weapons that the different
branches of the Third Reich had *planned*.

Why Anglos did not and do not dispute the fact that,for example,Me262 and V-2
were developed by germans during the war?
Because they were widely used during war and their existence was witnessed by
the thousands of allied military personnel and civilians.
I am pretty sure if they were not widely used during war and Anglos found only
a couple of Me262 and V-2s in top secret underground production facilities,we
would now be discussing whether Germans were able to develop fighter jets and
ballistic missiles during WWII.

Actually nuclear technology transfer from Germany to Anglo countries during
last days of WWII and after WWII actually represented the low-end of the
technology stolen from Germany.

Other "wonderful weapons" that 3rd Reich planned became the basis for the
advanced weapons US "developed" within last 60 years.
Lets remember for the technology transfer you dont need always a component
transfer,document transfer is many times sufficent.


In reality, they struggled. This was the regime that never launched an
aircraft carrier, and never built a convincing four-engined bomber. Whose
leader fiddled away the days while his empire collapsed, sketching designs
for post-war architectural projects

There was NO conventional aircraft,aircraft carrier,submarine or tank project
of 3rd Reich among S-Projects.

During his visit to Klein-Machow facility in fall 44 Hitler was not even
allowed to take his adjutant and personal bodyguard with him into the
facility,much less fiddling with S-projects.

It was more excusable for Eisenhower to proceed on worst-case assumptions
about the German nuclear programme in 1944 than it is for you to believe it

Since Ike is not alive now we cannot ask him why he wrote down that statement.

0 years later, when 60 years of research have failed to come up with any
evidence at all for the things you are saying.


What world heard in last 60 years was the story that victorious Anglos needed
world to hear nothing else.

What is an igniter?

Triggering device that Dr.Alvares after inspecting U-234 cargo and debriefing
U234s scientific passenger Dr.Schlicke made to work at the virtually last
minute by "cleaning up some wires".
(He was,like other MP scientists, unable to come up with working igniter
design in previous 18 months,but never mind!)

How would they have done that without the know-how they and the Nazis
lacked? Are we to assume that both the Japanese and the Germans possessed
the ability to make an 'igniter' (whatever that is) and yet the Americans
did not?

Japanase know how were coming from Germany.
Unlike Von Ardenne/Houtermans group that recognized igniter problem at very
early stage and started developing suitable igniter designs in late
41,Manhattan Project scientists recognized that problem very late and that was
one of the major blunders of MP.
So while Germans perfected their design,Manhattan Project was still trying to
design one.period.
German igniter was so excellent that yield of tested plutonium bomb exceeded
even best predictions of Manhattan Project scientists by a big margin.

Denyav, believe me, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone. But
where is your actual evidence for these beliefs?

One thing we all know exactly is that all documents regarding this issue is
classified for 75 years,inlcluding the log of the "regular" US army division
that occupied one of the German nuclear development sites.
So you must check the.correspondence between Anglo management to find first
clues.

1)In March 45 powerful senators asking for the termination of Manhattan project
because there was no way that they can produce bomb bt the deadline.
2)Even Manhattan projects top scientists predicted in early 45 that not enough
uran will be available for the bomb.
3)Everthing went according to the their predictions till June but in June an
unpredicted miracle happened.Uran production spiked !.
4)Groves and Anglo management tried to explain this spike in production but in
close examination everything he said failed explain the spike.So where did the
extra Uran come from? From outer space maybe?

5)Igniter story is even more ridicilous.
We know that Manhattan Project recognized igniter problem very late and tried
for 18 months to produce a working igniter design in vain.
So Manhattan Project scientists main concern was not even the success of
Plutonium bomb test but was how to collect precious plutonium from the test
area after failed test.
So they were pretty sure that igniter wont work.
But test was a great success,the yield of the bomb exceeded even most
optimistic expectations of Manhattan Projecters by a great margin.
How Manhattan Project scientists made a such big prediction errror?
Well in closer examination you will learn that this "excellent" igniter arrived
only hours before actual test date and was "designed" by Dr.Alvares (later
Nobel laurate).
Problem is Dr.Alvares was trying to design an igniter for last 18 months
without success,so how he came up with a revolutionary design at the virtually
last minute?
What Anglo management did not tell the world is that Dr.Alvares was the man who
inspected U-234 cargo and debriefed Dr.Schlicke and Dr.Schlicke's duty was to
help Japanese to assemble the bomb.period.

After war Dr.Alvares always tried to dodge questions about igniter development
for 40 years.
When he was asked how he developed an excellent igniter and saved US nuclear
program.
His answer was always enlightening,"Well,I cleaned up some wires"
I am sure his answer did not make von Ardenne happy.

From: (Denyav)
Date: 9/12/2004 12:55 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Not at all! In 1942 the tide was just beginning to turn against Germany. Far

from 'practcally defeated'

Unlike Anglo led global alliance that had almost unlimited material and human
resources,Germans had exteremely small resources,so when their advances were
stopped or even slowed down only,they were basically defeated,they had no
resources to fight a prolonged war.

Your problem seems to be that you cannot distinguish between plans and
realities. We all know about all the wonderful weapons that the different
branches of the Third Reich had *planned*.

Why Anglos did not and do not dispute the fact that,for example,Me262 and
V-2
were developed by germans during the war?
Because they were widely used during war and their existence was witnessed by
the thousands of allied military personnel and civilians.
I am pretty sure if they were not widely used during war and Anglos found
only
a couple of Me262 and V-2s in top secret underground production facilities,we
would now be discussing whether Germans were able to develop fighter jets and
ballistic missiles during WWII.

Actually nuclear technology transfer from Germany to Anglo countries during
last days of WWII and after WWII actually represented the low-end of the
technology stolen from Germany.

Other "wonderful weapons" that 3rd Reich planned became the basis for the
advanced weapons US "developed" within last 60 years.
Lets remember for the technology transfer you dont need always a component
transfer,document transfer is many times sufficent.


In reality, they struggled. This was the regime that never launched an
aircraft carrier, and never built a convincing four-engined bomber. Whose
leader fiddled away the days while his empire collapsed, sketching designs
for post-war architectural projects

There was NO conventional aircraft,aircraft carrier,submarine or tank project
of 3rd Reich among S-Projects.

During his visit to Klein-Machow facility in fall 44 Hitler was not even
allowed to take his adjutant and personal bodyguard with him into the
facility,much less fiddling with S-projects.

It was more excusable for Eisenhower to proceed on worst-case assumptions
about the German nuclear programme in 1944 than it is for you to believe it

Since Ike is not alive now we cannot ask him why he wrote down that
statement.

0 years later, when 60 years of research have failed to come up with any
evidence at all for the things you are saying.


What world heard in last 60 years was the story that victorious Anglos needed
world to hear nothing else.

What is an igniter?

Triggering device that Dr.Alvares after inspecting U-234 cargo and debriefing
U234s scientific passenger Dr.Schlicke made to work at the virtually last
minute by "cleaning up some wires".
(He was,like other MP scientists, unable to come up with working igniter
design in previous 18 months,but never mind!)

How would they have done that without the know-how they and the Nazis
lacked? Are we to assume that both the Japanese and the Germans possessed
the ability to make an 'igniter' (whatever that is) and yet the Americans
did not?

Japanase know how were coming from Germany.
Unlike Von Ardenne/Houtermans group that recognized igniter problem at very
early stage and started developing suitable igniter designs in late
41,Manhattan Project scientists recognized that problem very late and that
was
one of the major blunders of MP.
So while Germans perfected their design,Manhattan Project was still trying to
design one.period.
German igniter was so excellent that yield of tested plutonium bomb exceeded
even best predictions of Manhattan Project scientists by a big margin.

Denyav, believe me, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as anyone. But
where is your actual evidence for these beliefs?

One thing we all know exactly is that all documents regarding this issue is
classified for 75 years,inlcluding the log of the "regular" US army division
that occupied one of the German nuclear development sites.
So you must check the.correspondence between Anglo management to find first
clues.

1)In March 45 powerful senators asking for the termination of Manhattan
project
because there was no way that they can produce bomb bt the deadline.
2)Even Manhattan projects top scientists predicted in early 45 that not
enough
uran will be available for the bomb.
3)Everthing went according to the their predictions till June but in June an
unpredicted miracle happened.Uran production spiked !.
4)Groves and Anglo management tried to explain this spike in production but
in
close examination everything he said failed explain the spike.So where did
the
extra Uran come from? From outer space maybe?

5)Igniter story is even more ridicilous.
We know that Manhattan Project recognized igniter problem very late and tried
for 18 months to produce a working igniter design in vain.
So Manhattan Project scientists main concern was not even the success of
Plutonium bomb test but was how to collect precious plutonium from the test
area after failed test.
So they were pretty sure that igniter wont work.
But test was a great success,the yield of the bomb exceeded even most
optimistic expectations of Manhattan Projecters by a great margin.
How Manhattan Project scientists made a such big prediction errror?
Well in closer examination you will learn that this "excellent" igniter
arrived
only hours before actual test date and was "designed" by Dr.Alvares (later
Nobel laurate).
Problem is Dr.Alvares was trying to design an igniter for last 18 months
without success,so how he came up with a revolutionary design at the
virtually
last minute?
What Anglo management did not tell the world is that Dr.Alvares was the man
who
inspected U-234 cargo and debriefed Dr.Schlicke and Dr.Schlicke's duty was to
help Japanese to assemble the bomb.period.

After war Dr.Alvares always tried to dodge questions about igniter
development
for 40 years.
When he was asked how he developed an excellent igniter and saved US nuclear
program.
His answer was always enlightening,"Well,I cleaned up some wires"
I am sure his answer did not make von Ardenne happy.

OK, I ask you again, besides what you and the other Nazi teuton have said about
this and other projects have you any verifiable proof from a source other than
UFO sites? You keep telling us about "classified for 75 years" information only
you and teuton know about and how the Nazis manage to detonate 2 atomic bombs
without anyone noticing or anyone involved writing about it. Any idea when you
intend to provide verifiable proof?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

OK, I ask you again, besides what you and the other Nazi teuton have said
about
this and other projects have you any verifiable proof from a source other
than
UFO sites? You keep telling us about "classified for 75 years" information
only
you and teuton know about and

Well,the term UFO has been invented in US AFTER the occupation of Germany alone
this fact should make you a little bit suspicious.

The term used by Kammlers SS advanced weapons research and development
directorate for such craft was SFOs (SonderFlugObjecten) not UFOs.

Regarding classification of documents by Anglos and the lies told by Anglos
there is a direct correlation as classification widely used to cover lies.
One of the best examples of this is the lies of Gen.Groves.
Gen.Groves attemped to explain sudden and unpredicted spike in US u-235
production in June 45 with improvements in uran production process.
Even during hey days of Groves, his explanation met with remarkable sceptism
from experts.
But nobody could prove that he was lying,because total and plantwise u-235
production figures were among Americas best kept secrets.
Now thanks to DOEs openness policy in 90s we all know that US production really
spiked in June 45 but none of US facilities was responsible for the spike.
Groves,knowing that the crucial information will remain classified during his
lifetime,did not bother to to tell lies to public.
Thats the way how world famous Anglo pragmatism works.



how the Nazis manage to detonate 2 atomic bombs
without anyone noticing or anyone involved writing about it. Any idea when
you
intend to provide verifiable proof?

Both test were witnessed by hundreds of people second test on March 4 even by
thousands of people,including almost whole populations of small towns near test
site and even by an USAAF aircrew.

Some of eyewitnesses have even appeared in TV programs in Germany and described
what they saw on March 4.
All eyewitnesses also said that the town people were interviewed by Americans
(and later by Soviets) about the events of March 4,but interestingly there is
no record of such interviews in declassified US archives.