PROOF THAT NEOCONS ARE STUPID

How true. It is soooooooooooo much harder to be a professor than it is to
risk your entire net worth to start up and run a successful business that
creates jobs and contributes to the economy. Glenn L. Martin was a perfect
example of just such a buffoon.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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The vast majority of university professors and scholars are Democratic
liberals. Very few are neocons. The neocons just can't make the cut into
higher
education.
They just aren't smart enough as Bush so eloquently demonstrates.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: PROOF THAT NEOCONS ARE STUPID
From: "Dave"
Date: 9/14/2004 12:22 PM Pacific Standard Time
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How true. It is soooooooooooo much harder to be a professor than it is to
risk your entire net worth to start up and run a successful business that
creates jobs and contributes to the economy. Glenn L. Martin was a perfect
example of just such a buffoon.


Martin? Isn't that the son of a bitch that built the B-26 Marauder?. That plane
damn near killed all of us before we even got to the ETO. The Baltimore Whore,
The B dash Crash, the flying coffin, the one a day in tampa bay and the
widowmaker.Be glad you never served in one.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

Martin? Isn't that the son of a bitch that built the B-26 Marauder?. That plane
damn near killed all of us before we even got to the ETO. The Baltimore Whore,
The B dash Crash, the flying coffin, the one a day in tampa bay and the
widowmaker.Be glad you never served in one.


And it's also credited with having the safest record of all medium
bombers by the end of the war.

JPH

Subject: PROOF THAT NEOCONS ARE STUPID
From: J Haggerty
Date: 9/14/2004 7:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: rFN1d.41188$OZ6.16103@okepread06



ArtKramr wrote:

Martin? Isn't that the son of a bitch that built the B-26 Marauder?. That
plane
damn near killed all of us before we even got to the ETO. The Baltimore
Whore,
The B dash Crash, the flying coffin, the one a day in tampa bay and the
widowmaker.Be glad you never served in one.


And it's also credited with having the safest record of all medium
bombers by the end of the war.

JPH



Not exactly. It had the worst record of killing crews in training.So bad that
Truman confronted Martin and threatened to cancel all contracts. It had the
best record of surviving enemy fire, but accidents continued in landings and
take offs of any plane.Well the A-20 was almost as bad. Did you ever fly in
either?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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And it's also credited with having the safest record of all medium
bombers by the end of the war.


Not exactly. It had the worst record of killing crews in training.


Which was also the second best record.

ArtKramr wrote:


Martin? Isn't that the son of a bitch that built the B-26 Marauder?. That plane
damn near killed all of us before we even got to the ETO. The Baltimore Whore,
The B dash Crash, the flying coffin, the one a day in tampa bay and the
widowmaker.Be glad you never served in one.

Just FYI, Art: they were still using that "one a day in Tampa
Bay" line in 1969 at MacDill - except the planes were by then
F-4Es of a Replacement Training Unit for the Vietnam war.

There was nothing defective about the aircraft or the maintenance,
either; it was the inexperienced drivers that put 'em there.

ubject: PROOF THAT NEOCONS ARE STUPID
From: Dweezil Dwarftosser
Date: 9/14/2004 10:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
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ArtKramr wrote:


Martin? Isn't that the son of a bitch that built the B-26 Marauder?. That
plane
damn near killed all of us before we even got to the ETO. The Baltimore
Whore,
The B dash Crash, the flying coffin, the one a day in tampa bay and the
widowmaker.Be glad you never served in one.

Just FYI, Art: they were still using that "one a day in Tampa
Bay" line in 1969 at MacDill - except the planes were by then
F-4Es of a Replacement Training Unit for the Vietnam war.

There was nothing defective about the aircraft or the maintenance,
either; it was the inexperienced drivers that put 'em there.



Is that from the 1,000 houirs you flew the B-26?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Is that any greater than the - 0 - hours you flew them?

Or do you have some stick time you haven't already embellished in this
group?

Reminder: riding around one is not loggable as PIC hours, Art.

Steve Swartz




"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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ubject: PROOF THAT NEOCONS ARE STUPID
From: Dweezil Dwarftosser
Date: 9/14/2004 10:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

ArtKramr wrote:


Martin? Isn't that the son of a bitch that built the B-26 Marauder?.
That
plane
damn near killed all of us before we even got to the ETO. The Baltimore
Whore,
The B dash Crash, the flying coffin, the one a day in tampa bay and the
widowmaker.Be glad you never served in one.

Just FYI, Art: they were still using that "one a day in Tampa
Bay" line in 1969 at MacDill - except the planes were by then
F-4Es of a Replacement Training Unit for the Vietnam war.

There was nothing defective about the aircraft or the maintenance,
either; it was the inexperienced drivers that put 'em there.



Is that from the 1,000 houirs you flew the B-26?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:

Just FYI, Art: they were still using that "one a day in Tampa
Bay" line in 1969 at MacDill - except the planes were by then
F-4Es of a Replacement Training Unit for the Vietnam war.

There was nothing defective about the aircraft or the maintenance,
either; it was the inexperienced drivers that put 'em there.


Is that from the 1,000 houirs you flew the B-26?

No, but it was from the more than 30,000 hours I eventually
amassed working on those F-4s.

How many hours do you have maintaining the B-26?
If the answer is "none", then you're totally unqualified to
comment on the subject.

John T. - 1st, 4th, 15th, 36th, 50th, 56th, 86th, and 388th TFWs.
Thailand, Germany, Spain, Turkey, Morrocco, Iran, Pakistan.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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ubject: PROOF THAT NEOCONS ARE STUPID
From: Dweezil Dwarftosser
Date: 9/14/2004 10:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

ArtKramr wrote:


Martin? Isn't that the son of a bitch that built the B-26 Marauder?.
That
plane
damn near killed all of us before we even got to the ETO. The Baltimore
Whore,
The B dash Crash, the flying coffin, the one a day in tampa bay and the
widowmaker.Be glad you never served in one.

Just FYI, Art: they were still using that "one a day in Tampa
Bay" line in 1969 at MacDill - except the planes were by then
F-4Es of a Replacement Training Unit for the Vietnam war.

There was nothing defective about the aircraft or the maintenance,
either; it was the inexperienced drivers that put 'em there.



Is that from the 1,000 houirs you flew the B-26?

So, Art, how many hours do you have as a B-26 pilot? Whats that? Zero? Oh
yeah, you were just the bombadier, not the pilot.