PROOF THAT NEOCONS ARE STUPID

Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a
majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them?

Jack G.



Remember the other guy had more people vote for him


That will never be forgotten


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
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"Jack G" wrote in message
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Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a
majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them?

Jack G.
Presidents elected without a majority of the popular vote:

First number is Percent of Electoral Vote
Second number is Percentage of Popular Vote
1824 John Q. Adams 31.8 29.8
1844 James K. Polk (D) 61.8 49.3
1848 Zachary Taylor (W) 56.2 47.3
1856 James Buchanan (D) 58.7 45.3
1860 Abraham Lincoln (R) 59.4 39.9
1876 Rutherford B. Hayes (R) 50.1 47.9
1880 James A. Garfield (R) 57.9 48.3
1884 Grover Cleveland (D) 54.6 48.8
1888 Benjamin Harrison (R) 58.1 47.8
1892 Grover Cleveland (D) 62.4 46.0
1912 Woodrow Wilson (D) `81.9 41.8
1916 Woodrow Wilson (D) 52.1 49.3
1948 Harry S. Truman (D) 57.1 49.5
1960 John F. Kennedy (D) 56.4 49.7
1968 Richard M. Nixon (R) 56.1 43.4
1992 William J. Clinton (D) 68.8 43.0
1996 William J. Clinton (D) 70.4 49.0
2000 George W. Bush (R) 50.3 47.8

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:40:29 GMT, "Jack G"
wrote:

1992 William J. Clinton (D) 68.8 43.0
1996 William J. Clinton (D) 70.4 49.0
2000 George W. Bush (R) 50.3 47.8

Thanks for the list. You won't hear much about this factoid on the
mainstream media, however, given that the last president to get a
popular majority was Ronald Reagan--twice.

I used to whisper to my wife (you have to whisper about such things
when you live in a university town): "How come Reagan keeps getting
elected if we're the only people voting for him?"


all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Thanks for the list. You won't hear much about this factoid on the
mainstream media, however, given that the last president to get a
popular majority was Ronald Reagan--twice.


Didn't Bush win a majority of the popular vote in 1988?

In article . net,
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Thanks for the list. You won't hear much about this factoid on the
mainstream media, however, given that the last president to get a
popular majority was Ronald Reagan--twice.


Didn't Bush win a majority of the popular vote in 1988?

The numbers are sometimes skewed a bit by third party candidates.
Especially true in 1968 when the Wallace vote took lots of the vote
which might have gone to Humphrey and, no doubt, a few which would have
gone to Nixon, too.

"Raoul" wrote in message
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Didn't Bush win a majority of the popular vote in 1988?


The numbers are sometimes skewed a bit by third party candidates.
Especially true in 1968 when the Wallace vote took lots of the vote
which might have gone to Humphrey and, no doubt, a few which would have
gone to Nixon, too.


But there was no "third party" candidate in 1988. Bush won 53.4% of the
national popular vote.

You may or may not consider this a minor point- but please don't forget that
the "nationwide popular vote" (aside from being irrelevant) is never
actually counted.

The FEC doesn't even have standards or a process for counting the "popular
vote."

This is in addition to the margins of errors for balloting. Ballots are not
counted- that's right, thrown away- if the tally from those ballots won't
affect the electoral votes in play.

This undercount (generally assumed to be proportianally representative of
the counted ballots; a major flaw in the theory ref absentee ballots which
are generally the ones tossed) is in addition to the undercount referred to
in the literature as "residual ballots" which are cast, but unscored, votes.

Overall what most people (yourselves included) refer to as the "Popular
Vote" [sic] is only a very rough, and not even representative, estimate of
only those votes actually tallied- which are themselves subject to error.

There is no such thing as the "national popular vote" except in a
theoretical sense.

Being a polisci guy Ed Rasimus knows more about this than I do, but for
starters check out a good summary report National Buerea of Standards report
500-158 "Accuracy, Integrity, and Security in Computerized Vote-Tallying"
compiled by Roy G. Saltman http://www.itl.nist.gov/lab/specpubs/500-158 and
then track back to the CalTech/MIT studies etc. Also check out the FEC
standards for vote tally accuracy (standards have been "proposed" but are
not yet in force) and machine testing for a discussion of the mechanical
error issues involved at http://www.fec.gov/pages/vssfinal/vss.html for a
good "Apologia" from the government side.

I found it particularly hilarious to read about how "these results should be
treated carefully lest the public lose confidence in their government!"
Yeah, right.

Steve Swartz


Steve Swartz



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Raoul" wrote in message
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Didn't Bush win a majority of the popular vote in 1988?


The numbers are sometimes skewed a bit by third party candidates.
Especially true in 1968 when the Wallace vote took lots of the vote
which might have gone to Humphrey and, no doubt, a few which would have
gone to Nixon, too.


But there was no "third party" candidate in 1988. Bush won 53.4% of the
national popular vote.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net...
"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Thanks for the list. You won't hear much about this factoid on the
mainstream media, however, given that the last president to get a
popular majority was Ronald Reagan--twice.


Didn't Bush win a majority of the popular vote in 1988?

Since he isn't on the 'minority president' list I guess he did,
provided the list is accurate.

--

FF

I used to whisper to my wife (you have to whisper about such things
when you live in a university town): "How come Reagan keeps getting
elected if we're the only people voting for him?"

Come on, Dan, you need to put a couple of smileys after that. I live
in a university town too, as you can tell from my email address, and
most of my friends are conservatives.

vince norris

Do your homework.


"Jack G" wrote in message
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Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a
majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them?

Jack G.



Remember the other guy had more people vote for him


That will never be forgotten


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer