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September 15th 04, 07:43 PM
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From http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm
Popular Vote: Bush: 50,456,002 47.87% Go 50,999,897 48.38% Looks like more to me! Jack G. "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Do your homework. "Jack G" wrote in message news:FVO1d.3647$g9.70@trnddc06... Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them? Jack G. 
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September 15th 04, 08:01 PM
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"Jack G" wrote in message news:h302d.8184$5t4.4608@trnddc01... From http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm Popular Vote: Bush: 50,456,002 47.87% Go 50,999,897 48.38% Looks like more to me! Uhmmm...I believe his point is in regards to the votes that actually count--the Electoral College ones. ISTR Bush got more of those? Brooks Jack G. "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Do your homework. "Jack G" wrote in message news:FVO1d.3647$g9.70@trnddc06... Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them? Jack G.
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#3
September 15th 04, 08:18 PM
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I never mentioned Electoral votes in my post. The topic of Art's post was
the popular vote. Jack G. "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... "Jack G" wrote in message news:h302d.8184$5t4.4608@trnddc01... From http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm Popular Vote: Bush: 50,456,002 47.87% Go 50,999,897 48.38% Looks like more to me! Uhmmm...I believe his point is in regards to the votes that actually count--the Electoral College ones. ISTR Bush got more of those? Brooks Jack G. "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Do your homework. "Jack G" wrote in message news:FVO1d.3647$g9.70@trnddc06... Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them? Jack G.
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#4
September 15th 04, 08:41 PM
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"Jack G" wrote in message news:dA02d.6092$MS1.2252@trnddc02... I never mentioned Electoral votes in my post. The topic of Art's post was the popular vote. Then you are wasting your breath--the nationwide popular vote does not mean squat. Brooks Jack G. "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... "Jack G" wrote in message news:h302d.8184$5t4.4608@trnddc01... From http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm Popular Vote: Bush: 50,456,002 47.87% Go 50,999,897 48.38% Looks like more to me! Uhmmm...I believe his point is in regards to the votes that actually count--the Electoral College ones. ISTR Bush got more of those? Brooks Jack G. "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Do your homework. "Jack G" wrote in message news:FVO1d.3647$g9.70@trnddc06... Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them? Jack G.
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#5
September 15th 04, 10:41 PM
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Which was exactly the point I tried to make to ART. Believe me, I know how
the President is elected. Jack G. "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... "Jack G" wrote in message news:dA02d.6092$MS1.2252@trnddc02... I never mentioned Electoral votes in my post. The topic of Art's post was the popular vote. Then you are wasting your breath--the nationwide popular vote does not mean squat. Brooks Jack G. "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... "Jack G" wrote in message news:h302d.8184$5t4.4608@trnddc01... From http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm Popular Vote: Bush: 50,456,002 47.87% Go 50,999,897 48.38% Looks like more to me! Uhmmm...I believe his point is in regards to the votes that actually count--the Electoral College ones. ISTR Bush got more of those? Brooks Jack G. "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Do your homework. "Jack G" wrote in message news:FVO1d.3647$g9.70@trnddc06... Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them? Jack G.
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#6
September 16th 04, 06:41 PM
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And it is recognized as such- the nationwide popular vote is never actually
counted. Steve Swartz "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... "Jack G" wrote in message news:dA02d.6092$MS1.2252@trnddc02... I never mentioned Electoral votes in my post. The topic of Art's post was the popular vote. Then you are wasting your breath--the nationwide popular vote does not mean squat. Brooks Jack G. "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ... "Jack G" wrote in message news:h302d.8184$5t4.4608@trnddc01... From http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm Popular Vote: Bush: 50,456,002 47.87% Go 50,999,897 48.38% Looks like more to me! Uhmmm...I believe his point is in regards to the votes that actually count--the Electoral College ones. ISTR Bush got more of those? Brooks Jack G. "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Do your homework. "Jack G" wrote in message news:FVO1d.3647$g9.70@trnddc06... Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them? Jack G.
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#7
September 15th 04, 08:04 PM
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Jack:
I suspect that you are the same guy who kept ignoring all the explanations before, and kept posting and reposting that table. If so, then the following is a waste of bandwidth; if not, you might find the following addition (your omission) illuminating: Mechanical Tally Error: Bush: 47.87 +/- 3.23 % (95% two-tailed confidence interval) Go 48.38 +- 3.23 % (95% two tailed confidence interval) Ballot Undercount Error, 2% - 7% local 3% estimated average (absentee etc. ballots "not counted because they have no material effect on outcome") So conservatively, the 0.51% difference between the two vote count totals represents about a standard deviation's worth of difference. So in other words, we are 80% confident that the true vote count could have gone either way; and only 20% confident that Gore's total was actually higher than Bush's. Not counting, of course, fraud and/or uncounted ballots. This is just the mechanical error of the vote counting machines. Steve "Jack G" wrote in message news:h302d.8184$5t4.4608@trnddc01... From http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm Popular Vote: Bush: 50,456,002 47.87% Go 50,999,897 48.38% Looks like more to me! Jack G. "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Do your homework. "Jack G" wrote in message news:FVO1d.3647$g9.70@trnddc06... Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them? Jack G.
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#8
September 15th 04, 08:32 PM
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I have no visibility of other posts that included the table I originally
posted - so yes I did ignore what I can not see. The numbers that count are the official vote counts. The statistical analysis is an interesting study - but does not change the official count. Jack "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Jack: I suspect that you are the same guy who kept ignoring all the explanations before, and kept posting and reposting that table. If so, then the following is a waste of bandwidth; if not, you might find the following addition (your omission) illuminating: Mechanical Tally Error: Bush: 47.87 +/- 3.23 % (95% two-tailed confidence interval) Go 48.38 +- 3.23 % (95% two tailed confidence interval) Ballot Undercount Error, 2% - 7% local 3% estimated average (absentee etc. ballots "not counted because they have no material effect on outcome") So conservatively, the 0.51% difference between the two vote count totals represents about a standard deviation's worth of difference. So in other words, we are 80% confident that the true vote count could have gone either way; and only 20% confident that Gore's total was actually higher than Bush's. Not counting, of course, fraud and/or uncounted ballots. This is just the mechanical error of the vote counting machines. Steve "Jack G" wrote in message news:h302d.8184$5t4.4608@trnddc01... From http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm Popular Vote: Bush: 50,456,002 47.87% Go 50,999,897 48.38% Looks like more to me! Jack G. "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Do your homework. "Jack G" wrote in message news:FVO1d.3647$g9.70@trnddc06... Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them? Jack G.
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#9
September 16th 04, 06:40 PM
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Then stop labeling your table "popular vote" and likewise stop claiming that
Gore received more votes than Bush. Both are misleading and simply not true. If you want to claim that our current vote counting system is unable to determine who actually got more votes, but the FEC system has "certified" the "counted votes" [not votes cast, many of which are never counted] to be so and so, fine. Of course, stating the truth plainly makes your whole point even more irrelevant. Steve Swartz "Jack G" wrote in message news:KN02d.6096$MS1.3634@trnddc02... I have no visibility of other posts that included the table I originally posted - so yes I did ignore what I can not see. The numbers that count are the official vote counts. The statistical analysis is an interesting study - but does not change the official count. Jack "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Jack: I suspect that you are the same guy who kept ignoring all the explanations before, and kept posting and reposting that table. If so, then the following is a waste of bandwidth; if not, you might find the following addition (your omission) illuminating: Mechanical Tally Error: Bush: 47.87 +/- 3.23 % (95% two-tailed confidence interval) Go 48.38 +- 3.23 % (95% two tailed confidence interval) Ballot Undercount Error, 2% - 7% local 3% estimated average (absentee etc. ballots "not counted because they have no material effect on outcome") So conservatively, the 0.51% difference between the two vote count totals represents about a standard deviation's worth of difference. So in other words, we are 80% confident that the true vote count could have gone either way; and only 20% confident that Gore's total was actually higher than Bush's. Not counting, of course, fraud and/or uncounted ballots. This is just the mechanical error of the vote counting machines. Steve "Jack G" wrote in message news:h302d.8184$5t4.4608@trnddc01... From http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm Popular Vote: Bush: 50,456,002 47.87% Go 50,999,897 48.38% Looks like more to me! Jack G. "Leslie Swartz" wrote in message ... Do your homework. "Jack G" wrote in message news:FVO1d.3647$g9.70@trnddc06... Art, can you name the other presidents who were elected with less than a majority of the popular vote? Or have you forgotten them? Jack G.
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