FAA suspends Bruno Vassel's Pilot Certificate

On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley wrote:
Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him occasionally on FB for advice.

Air shows are highly regulated events. I know - I have been involved in several as a volunteer. The FAA oversees each of these events, as is their duty as codified by law. All performers are expected to know the regulations, as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Here is an excerpt of these regulations (https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V..._006_001.htm):

1) Aerobatic Maneuvering. Requires a Statement of Aerobatic Competency (SAC) with an aerobatic maneuvering endorsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the angle of bank is greater than 75 degrees in reference to the horizon.
b) In a formation flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch attitude of an aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is greater than 75 degrees to the horizon.
2) Dynamic Maneuvering. Requires a SAC with a dynamic maneuvering endorsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, dynamic maneuvering includes abrupt maneuvering, crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 90 degrees in reference to the horizon.
b) In a formation flight, dynamic maneuvering includes formation separation, formation configuration/position changes, rejoins, crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 75 degrees in reference to the horizon.

All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing and aircraft certification.

Tom

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:25:20 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley wrote:
Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him occasionally on FB for advice.

Air shows are highly regulated events. I know - I have been involved in several as a volunteer. The FAA oversees each of these events, as is their duty as codified by law. All performers are expected to know the regulations, as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Here is an excerpt of these regulations (https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V..._006_001.htm):

1) Aerobatic Maneuvering. Requires a Statement of Aerobatic Competency (SAC) with an aerobatic maneuvering endorsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the angle of bank is greater than 75 degrees in reference to the horizon.
b) In a formation flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch attitude of an aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is greater than 75 degrees to the horizon.
2) Dynamic Maneuvering. Requires a SAC with a dynamic maneuvering endorsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, dynamic maneuvering includes abrupt maneuvering, crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 90 degrees in reference to the horizon.
b) In a formation flight, dynamic maneuvering includes formation separation, formation configuration/position changes, rejoins, crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 75 degrees in reference to the horizon.

All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing and aircraft certification.

Tom
turd in the punch bowl

n. A person who spoils a pleasant social situation.

This metaphor is powered by a particularly vivid contrast: the inviting sensory appeal of a festive beverage juxtaposed with the revolting suggestion of feculent contagion. Therefore, labeling someone a turd in the punch bowl is most appropriate when the individual's deleterious influence goes beyond mere faux pas or nuisance behaviors, and rises to the level of deliberate offense for its own sake. Consider that the literal act of depositing or excreting fecal matter into a communal food-service container would be sabotage.

The punch bowl and the feces connote certain additional nuances. The former is a symbol of public community, as such dispensers are frequently encountered at parties where they become a focal point for interaction. Freud famously identified feces with aggression and the possessive instinct. Thus a turd in the punch bowl suggests rage toward, and / or the urge to conquer, a community or society as a whole. Defecating into a punch bowl is a very public act, in contrast with poisoning the well or laying an upper decker, which are generally surreptitious. In particular then, to be a turd in the punch bowl is to be a willful and attention-seeking obstructor to the success of a social community.

My sympathy is with is with Bruno but!!!
In England 3 or so years back an occasional display pilot got it wrong
at an air show and put his vintage jet onto the highwayman ,many
dead but not him.The aftermath is still going on.

It's not just the licence the whole flight has to be thought out ,written
out and agreed with every one.
If that was done the organises would have had to ask for all the
paperwork to show their "duty of care",it's not just Bruno's fault.

At a UK comp you need your comp licence ,glider inspection certs
,insurance and medical cert to compete.Because the organisers can't
afford any jack the lad thats done a bit turning up and putting
everyone else's life at risk.
And they do "forget their medical has lapsed or they forgot to pay
the insurance" .Thats why we check





At 17:11 27 June 2020, Scott Williams wrote:





On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:25:20 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley
wrote:
Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him
occasionally on
FB=
for advice.
=20
Air shows are highly regulated events. I know - I have been
involved in
s=
everal as a volunteer. The FAA oversees each of these events, as is
their
d=
uty as codified by law. All performers are expected to know the
regulations=
, as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Here is an excerpt of
these
re=
gulations

(https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V...%20Admin/Chapt
er%20=
06/03_006_001.htm):
=20
1) Aerobatic Maneuvering. Requires a Statement of Aerobatic
Competency=
(SAC) with an aerobatic maneuvering endorsement for civilian
pilots (see
s=
ubparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch
attitude
=
of the aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the
horizon
and/o=
r the angle of bank is greater than 75 degrees in reference to the
horizon.
b) In a formation flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the
pitch
atti=
tude of an aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the
horizon
a=
nd/or the bank angle is greater than 75 degrees to the horizon.
2) Dynamic Maneuvering. Requires a SAC with a dynamic
maneuvering
endo=
rsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, dynamic maneuvering includes abrupt
maneuvering,
=
crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank
limitations
=
are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60
deg=
rees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than
or
equal=
to 90 degrees in reference to the horizon.
b) In a formation flight, dynamic maneuvering includes
formation
separ=
ation, formation configuration/position changes, rejoins, crossing
maneuver=
s, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are
when the
pitc=
h attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above
or
bel=
ow the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 75
degrees
in=
reference to the horizon.
=20
All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing and aircraft
certification.
=20
Tom
turd in the punch bowl

n. A person who spoils a pleasant social situation.

This metaphor is powered by a particularly vivid contrast: the
inviting
sen=
sory appeal of a festive beverage juxtaposed with the revolting
suggestion
=
of feculent contagion. Therefore, labeling someone a turd in the
punch
bowl=
is most appropriate when the individual's deleterious influence
goes
beyon=
d mere faux pas or nuisance behaviors, and rises to the level of
deliberate=
offense for its own sake. Consider that the literal act of depositing
or
e=
xcreting fecal matter into a communal food-service container would
be
sabot=
age.

The punch bowl and the feces connote certain additional nuances.
The
former=
is a symbol of public community, as such dispensers are frequently
encount=
ered at parties where they become a focal point for interaction.
Freud
famo=
usly identified feces with aggression and the possessive instinct.
Thus a
t=
urd in the punch bowl suggests rage toward, and / or the urge to
conquer,
a=
community or society as a whole. Defecating into a punch bowl is a
very
pu=
blic act, in contrast with poisoning the well or laying an upper
decker,
wh=
ich are generally surreptitious. In particular then, to be a turd in the
pu=
nch bowl is to be a willful and attention-seeking obstructor to the
success=
of a social community.

If it was a true "airshow" with other performers that had done the low-level demo for FAA (that's how you get SAC) then the organizers surely knew better. Beware amateurs!

On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:30:07 PM UTC+1, Jonathon May wrote:
My sympathy is with is with Bruno but!!!
In England 3 or so years back an occasional display pilot got it wrong
at an air show and put his vintage jet onto the highwayman ,many
dead but not him.The aftermath is still going on.

It's not just the licence the whole flight has to be thought out ,written
out and agreed with every one.
If that was done the organises would have had to ask for all the
paperwork to show their "duty of care",it's not just Bruno's fault.

At a UK comp you need your comp licence ,glider inspection certs
,insurance and medical cert to compete.Because the organisers can't
afford any jack the lad thats done a bit turning up and putting
everyone else's life at risk.
And they do "forget their medical has lapsed or they forgot to pay
the insurance" .Thats why we check





At 17:11 27 June 2020, Scott Williams wrote:





On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:25:20 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley
wrote:
Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him
occasionally on
FB=
for advice.
=20
Air shows are highly regulated events. I know - I have been
involved in
s=
everal as a volunteer. The FAA oversees each of these events, as is
their
d=
uty as codified by law. All performers are expected to know the
regulations=
, as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Here is an excerpt of
these
re=
gulations

(https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V...%20Admin/Chapt
er%20=
06/03_006_001.htm):
=20
1) Aerobatic Maneuvering. Requires a Statement of Aerobatic
Competency=
(SAC) with an aerobatic maneuvering endorsement for civilian
pilots (see
s=
ubparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch
attitude
=
of the aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the
horizon
and/o=
r the angle of bank is greater than 75 degrees in reference to the
horizon.
b) In a formation flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the
pitch
atti=
tude of an aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the
horizon
a=
nd/or the bank angle is greater than 75 degrees to the horizon.
2) Dynamic Maneuvering. Requires a SAC with a dynamic
maneuvering
endo=
rsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, dynamic maneuvering includes abrupt
maneuvering,
=
crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank
limitations
=
are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60
deg=
rees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than
or
equal=
to 90 degrees in reference to the horizon.
b) In a formation flight, dynamic maneuvering includes
formation
separ=
ation, formation configuration/position changes, rejoins, crossing
maneuver=
s, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are
when the
pitc=
h attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above
or
bel=
ow the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 75
degrees
in=
reference to the horizon.
=20
All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing and aircraft
certification.
=20
Tom
turd in the punch bowl

n. A person who spoils a pleasant social situation.

This metaphor is powered by a particularly vivid contrast: the
inviting
sen=
sory appeal of a festive beverage juxtaposed with the revolting
suggestion
=
of feculent contagion. Therefore, labeling someone a turd in the
punch
bowl=
is most appropriate when the individual's deleterious influence
goes
beyon=
d mere faux pas or nuisance behaviors, and rises to the level of
deliberate=
offense for its own sake. Consider that the literal act of depositing
or
e=
xcreting fecal matter into a communal food-service container would
be
sabot=
age.

The punch bowl and the feces connote certain additional nuances.
The
former=
is a symbol of public community, as such dispensers are frequently
encount=
ered at parties where they become a focal point for interaction.
Freud
famo=
usly identified feces with aggression and the possessive instinct.
Thus a
t=
urd in the punch bowl suggests rage toward, and / or the urge to
conquer,
a=
community or society as a whole. Defecating into a punch bowl is a
very
pu=
blic act, in contrast with poisoning the well or laying an upper
decker,
wh=
ich are generally surreptitious. In particular then, to be a turd in the
pu=
nch bowl is to be a willful and attention-seeking obstructor to the
success=
of a social community.


There is so much still to come to light, such as an altimeter being fitted that was bought on Ebay
It certainly is not over
It is the regulations that do keep us all safe

On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 9:00:04 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:30:07 PM UTC+1, Jonathon May wrote:
My sympathy is with is with Bruno but!!!
In England 3 or so years back an occasional display pilot got it wrong
at an air show and put his vintage jet onto the highwayman ,many
dead but not him.The aftermath is still going on.

It's not just the licence the whole flight has to be thought out ,written
out and agreed with every one.
If that was done the organises would have had to ask for all the
paperwork to show their "duty of care",it's not just Bruno's fault.

At a UK comp you need your comp licence ,glider inspection certs
,insurance and medical cert to compete.Because the organisers can't
afford any jack the lad thats done a bit turning up and putting
everyone else's life at risk.
And they do "forget their medical has lapsed or they forgot to pay
the insurance" .Thats why we check





At 17:11 27 June 2020, Scott Williams wrote:





On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:25:20 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley
wrote:
Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him
occasionally on
FB=
for advice.
=20
Air shows are highly regulated events. I know - I have been
involved in
s=
everal as a volunteer. The FAA oversees each of these events, as is
their
d=
uty as codified by law. All performers are expected to know the
regulations=
, as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Here is an excerpt of
these
re=
gulations

(https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V...%20Admin/Chapt
er%20=
06/03_006_001.htm):
=20
1) Aerobatic Maneuvering. Requires a Statement of Aerobatic
Competency=
(SAC) with an aerobatic maneuvering endorsement for civilian
pilots (see
s=
ubparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch
attitude
=
of the aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the
horizon
and/o=
r the angle of bank is greater than 75 degrees in reference to the
horizon.
b) In a formation flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the
pitch
atti=
tude of an aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the
horizon
a=
nd/or the bank angle is greater than 75 degrees to the horizon.
2) Dynamic Maneuvering. Requires a SAC with a dynamic
maneuvering
endo=
rsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, dynamic maneuvering includes abrupt
maneuvering,
=
crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank
limitations
=
are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60
deg=
rees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than
or
equal=
to 90 degrees in reference to the horizon.
b) In a formation flight, dynamic maneuvering includes
formation
separ=
ation, formation configuration/position changes, rejoins, crossing
maneuver=
s, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are
when the
pitc=
h attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above
or
bel=
ow the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 75
degrees
in=
reference to the horizon.
=20
All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing and aircraft
certification.
=20
Tom
turd in the punch bowl

n. A person who spoils a pleasant social situation.

This metaphor is powered by a particularly vivid contrast: the
inviting
sen=
sory appeal of a festive beverage juxtaposed with the revolting
suggestion
=
of feculent contagion. Therefore, labeling someone a turd in the
punch
bowl=
is most appropriate when the individual's deleterious influence
goes
beyon=
d mere faux pas or nuisance behaviors, and rises to the level of
deliberate=
offense for its own sake. Consider that the literal act of depositing
or
e=
xcreting fecal matter into a communal food-service container would
be
sabot=
age.

The punch bowl and the feces connote certain additional nuances.
The
former=
is a symbol of public community, as such dispensers are frequently
encount=
ered at parties where they become a focal point for interaction.
Freud
famo=
usly identified feces with aggression and the possessive instinct.
Thus a
t=
urd in the punch bowl suggests rage toward, and / or the urge to
conquer,
a=
community or society as a whole. Defecating into a punch bowl is a
very
pu=
blic act, in contrast with poisoning the well or laying an upper
decker,
wh=
ich are generally surreptitious. In particular then, to be a turd in the
pu=
nch bowl is to be a willful and attention-seeking obstructor to the
success=
of a social community.


There is so much still to come to light, such as an altimeter being fitted that was bought on Ebay
It certainly is not over
It is the regulations that do keep us all safe

Care to elaborate? If it is illegal to install an altimeter purchased from ebay, I'm rightly or wrongly assuming that is what you are suggesting, please point to the regulation that you are referring to. After all, as you say, it is the regulations that do keep us all safe.

The Glider Club I belong to is operating a 1956 Cessna 182 we bought off E-Bay.
We hit a buy it now, best deal ever. Saved our club from dissolving and we're very happy with it. 182s make great towplanes!!
Scott

On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 10:39:01 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 9:00:04 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 9:30:07 PM UTC+1, Jonathon May wrote:
My sympathy is with is with Bruno but!!!
In England 3 or so years back an occasional display pilot got it wrong
at an air show and put his vintage jet onto the highwayman ,many
dead but not him.The aftermath is still going on.

It's not just the licence the whole flight has to be thought out ,written
out and agreed with every one.
If that was done the organises would have had to ask for all the
paperwork to show their "duty of care",it's not just Bruno's fault.

At a UK comp you need your comp licence ,glider inspection certs
,insurance and medical cert to compete.Because the organisers can't
afford any jack the lad thats done a bit turning up and putting
everyone else's life at risk.
And they do "forget their medical has lapsed or they forgot to pay
the insurance" .Thats why we check





At 17:11 27 June 2020, Scott Williams wrote:





On Saturday, June 27, 2020 at 12:25:20 AM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Friday, June 26, 2020 at 9:46:49 PM UTC-7, Charles Longley
wrote:
Wow bummer! Bruno is a super nice guy. I message him
occasionally on
FB=
for advice.
=20
Air shows are highly regulated events. I know - I have been
involved in
s=
everal as a volunteer. The FAA oversees each of these events, as is
their
d=
uty as codified by law. All performers are expected to know the
regulations=
, as in "ignorance of the law is no excuse." Here is an excerpt of
these
re=
gulations

(https://fsims.faa.gov/WDocs/8900.1/V...%20Admin/Chapt
er%20=
06/03_006_001.htm):
=20
1) Aerobatic Maneuvering. Requires a Statement of Aerobatic
Competency=
(SAC) with an aerobatic maneuvering endorsement for civilian
pilots (see
s=
ubparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the pitch
attitude
=
of the aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the
horizon
and/o=
r the angle of bank is greater than 75 degrees in reference to the
horizon.
b) In a formation flight, aerobatic maneuvering is when the
pitch
atti=
tude of an aircraft is greater than 60 degrees above or below the
horizon
a=
nd/or the bank angle is greater than 75 degrees to the horizon.
2) Dynamic Maneuvering. Requires a SAC with a dynamic
maneuvering
endo=
rsement for civilian pilots (see subparagraph 3-146B).
a) In a solo flight, dynamic maneuvering includes abrupt
maneuvering,
=
crossing maneuvers, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank
limitations
=
are when the pitch attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60
deg=
rees above or below the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than
or
equal=
to 90 degrees in reference to the horizon.
b) In a formation flight, dynamic maneuvering includes
formation
separ=
ation, formation configuration/position changes, rejoins, crossing
maneuver=
s, and opposing maneuvers. The pitch and bank limitations are
when the
pitc=
h attitude of the aircraft is less than or equal to 60 degrees above
or
bel=
ow the horizon and/or the bank angle is less than or equal to 75
degrees
in=
reference to the horizon.
=20
All of this has NOTHING to do with Boeing and aircraft
certification.
=20
Tom
turd in the punch bowl

n. A person who spoils a pleasant social situation.

This metaphor is powered by a particularly vivid contrast: the
inviting
sen=
sory appeal of a festive beverage juxtaposed with the revolting
suggestion
=
of feculent contagion. Therefore, labeling someone a turd in the
punch
bowl=
is most appropriate when the individual's deleterious influence
goes
beyon=
d mere faux pas or nuisance behaviors, and rises to the level of
deliberate=
offense for its own sake. Consider that the literal act of depositing
or
e=
xcreting fecal matter into a communal food-service container would
be
sabot=
age.

The punch bowl and the feces connote certain additional nuances.
The
former=
is a symbol of public community, as such dispensers are frequently
encount=
ered at parties where they become a focal point for interaction.
Freud
famo=
usly identified feces with aggression and the possessive instinct.
Thus a
t=
urd in the punch bowl suggests rage toward, and / or the urge to
conquer,
a=
community or society as a whole. Defecating into a punch bowl is a
very
pu=
blic act, in contrast with poisoning the well or laying an upper
decker,
wh=
ich are generally surreptitious. In particular then, to be a turd in the
pu=
nch bowl is to be a willful and attention-seeking obstructor to the
success=
of a social community.


There is so much still to come to light, such as an altimeter being fitted that was bought on Ebay
It certainly is not over
It is the regulations that do keep us all safe

Care to elaborate? If it is illegal to install an altimeter purchased from ebay, I'm rightly or wrongly assuming that is what you are suggesting, please point to the regulation that you are referring to. After all, as you say, it is the regulations that do keep us all safe.

It is the same as buying a used altimeter from a friend. If your aircraft is experimental, you can put anything in it. If it is certified, the ALT better be TSO'd.

Tom

It is the same as buying a used altimeter from a friend. If your aircraft
i=
s experimental, you can put anything in it. If it is certified, the ALT
bet=
ter be TSO'd.

Tom


..and in Europe we don't have any such thing as an experimental category.