Kerry hiding his record

(John S. Shinal)
Date: 9/23/2004 2:17 PM Central Daylight Time
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Ed Rasimus wrote:

rationally as usual

4.) Bush spent his first two years of ANG duty full time attending
USAF pilot training, survival schools and operational qualification in
the F-102. OOOOOOps. He was really flying jets and engaging in a
rather risky business.

Apparently he drank and partied some, too. Can you imagine a
young fighter pilot doing such a thing ? I am stunned, I tell you.

Hey, don't start rumours like that. All fighter pilots are modest, chaste,
sober..... etc.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

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(John S. Shinal)
Date: 9/23/2004 2:17 PM Central Daylight Time
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Ed Rasimus wrote:

rationally as usual

4.) Bush spent his first two years of ANG duty full time attending
USAF pilot training, survival schools and operational qualification
in
the F-102. OOOOOOps. He was really flying jets and engaging in a
rather risky business.

Apparently he drank and partied some, too. Can you imagine a
young fighter pilot doing such a thing ? I am stunned, I tell you.

Hey, don't start rumours like that. All fighter pilots are modest,
chaste,
sober..... etc.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

What amazes ME is that the extreme left apparently doesn't know much
about fighters either!!
If I was looking for a nice cushy safe non dangerous type airplane to
fly to avoid getting myself hurt because I was a flaming coward, the
Deuce would be the LAST fighter in the inventory I'd be happy to be
paired up with. Bush did a good job in the 102; not the easiest of
mounts for a young Lt to handle. The President is a member of a very
exclusive club of fighter pilots who got REAL up on subjects like
induced drag in turns and adverse yaw. Not to say the 102 was a killer,
but it DID take an above average driver to work the airplane properly,
and Bush is still here last time I looked !!!:-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

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"Dudley Henriques" writes:

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(John S. Shinal)
Date: 9/23/2004 2:17 PM Central Daylight Time
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Ed Rasimus wrote:

rationally as usual

4.) Bush spent his first two years of ANG duty full time attending
USAF pilot training, survival schools and operational qualification
in
the F-102. OOOOOOps. He was really flying jets and engaging in a
rather risky business.

Apparently he drank and partied some, too. Can you imagine a
young fighter pilot doing such a thing ? I am stunned, I tell you.

Hey, don't start rumours like that. All fighter pilots are modest,
chaste,
sober..... etc.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

What amazes ME is that the extreme left apparently doesn't know much
about fighters either!!
If I was looking for a nice cushy safe non dangerous type airplane to
fly to avoid getting myself hurt because I was a flaming coward, the
Deuce would be the LAST fighter in the inventory I'd be happy to be
paired up with. Bush did a good job in the 102; not the easiest of
mounts for a young Lt to handle. The President is a member of a very
exclusive club of fighter pilots who got REAL up on subjects like
induced drag in turns and adverse yaw. Not to say the 102 was a killer,
but it DID take an above average driver to work the airplane properly,
and Bush is still here last time I looked !!!:-)

Just so, Dudley. If he were looking for a really cushy spot, there
were several Air National Guard Air Transport Squadrons in the region
at the time. The 181st ARefS in Texas was flying KC-97L Tankers, the 151st
MAS in Tennesee was flying C-97Gs as transports, The 105th MAS in
Tenessee was flying C-124s, as were the 125th MAS and 185th MAS in
Oklahoma, the 128th MAS and 158th MAS in Georgia, and the 183rd MAS in
Mississippi. If you wanted a cushy, no risk job, getting into one of
those units and raising and lowering the gear from the right seat
while watching the Flight Engineer twiddle the throttles as you get up
to stretch your legs seems like it. With the crew complements on
those beasts, nobody'd know if you were there or not.

(Note for the humor impaired: This is not intended in any way to
denigrate the job of the Load Warriors, or to make light of their
jobs. The ANG and Air Force Reserve transport units have been
important parts of out military air transportation system since the
early 1960s, flying important stuff anyplace the Active COmpnent has
flown. But that said, other than the slight but non-zero chance of
being attacked by a ravenous mob of cannibals (It happened in the
Congo in 1965), there wasn't much of a chance to get hurt. )


--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

Peter wrote:
(Note for the humor impaired: This is not intended in any way to
denigrate the job of the Load Warriors, or to make light of their
jobs.

Snippage:

flown. But that said, other than the slight but non-zero chance of
being attacked by a ravenous mob of cannibals (It happened in the
Congo in 1965), there wasn't much of a chance to get hurt. )

It is obvious that you have never had a flight lunch from the services at Wake
Island...Can be terminal

It is obvious that you never spent the night in Panama and left the hotel for
sight seeing..Can be really dangerous

It is painfully obvious that you have never had an encounter with the customs
people at Hawaii..Can be expensive

It is embarrassingly apparent that you have never had the loadmaster discover
400 miles off Florida that the avacados on board can't cross the coast...look
out fishing boats..avacados awayyyy!

But your assessment is pretty much on target.

Rick Clark

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(OXMORON1) writes:
Peter wrote:
(Note for the humor impaired: This is not intended in any way to
denigrate the job of the Load Warriors, or to make light of their
jobs.

Snippage:

flown. But that said, other than the slight but non-zero chance of
being attacked by a ravenous mob of cannibals (It happened in the
Congo in 1965), there wasn't much of a chance to get hurt. )

It is obvious that you have never had a flight lunch from the services at Wake
Island...Can be terminal

Not Wake, no...
Those were flight lunches? I thought they were bait, and yo were
supposed to use it to lure your lunch up from the bilges.

It is obvious that you never spent the night in Panama and left the hotel for
sight seeing..Can be really dangerous

Nope. Nor have I decided to explore the suburbs of Angeles City, back
before Mt. Pinatubo chipped in its contribution to the destruction of
the Ozone Layer. There was a night in Bahrein, though, adn another in
Cameroon.

It is painfully obvious that you have never had an encounter with the customs
people at Hawaii..Can be expensive

That's Custom's Job, after all.

It is embarrassingly apparent that you have never had the loadmaster discover
400 miles off Florida that the avacados on board can't cross the coast...look
out fishing boats..avacados awayyyy!

Nope. But I have heard about the Soviets that tried to smaggle a cow
into Cuba. (It seems that fresh milk's hard to get, there). The
critter broke loose in thehold of their An-12, and even the Best
Soviet Ironmongery wasn't holding up too good. So, the Loadmasterski
managed to get the ramp open, and the Cattle Drivers up at the head
end managed to get the critter to stampede in an aftward direction.
A cow, btw, Is Not a Creature of the Air - they don't so much fly as
plummet.

But your assessment is pretty much on target.
Note that most of the Dangers of Air Transport stories come from
either the Cargo or the Destinations, and not the airplane itself.

It's not that it wasn't an important job. but it's a much more
comfortable ride pushing a Stratofreighter (generally referred to as a
Cadillac by the many-motor types) with more room in the hold than my
first 3 apartments, and its own coffee pots, than it is to get
strapped into a Weber ejection seat in a way that some folks in San
Francisco pay extra for, in order to get your flight pay.

(Note that National Guard transport drivers could end up in the most
unlikely places - Many of the relief/refugee flights by the Red Cross
and other NGOs into Biafra and other African Garden Spots was by
leased ANG airplanes (Notably C-97s) and crews that were allowed to
"volunteer to be hired". That's tough, grinding work, with a non-zero
probability of getting shot at, with the added fun of "The Secretary
will disavow all knowledge...")

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster