§ 61.87 (i)

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 2:13:03 AM UTC-4, David Shelton wrote:
The regs state that solo students must receive and log "flight training" for "Procedures for disassembly and assembly of the glider." "Flight Training" is defined in 14 CFR 61.1 as training "received from an authorized instructor in flight in an aircraft." Technically, students must be trained to disassemble the glider while in flight!

The requirement to instruct in assembly/disassemble procedures is the most explicit requirement in this reg that the student know how to tell if the aircraft is assembled properly. Teaching of preflight inspection in ubiquitious in pre-solo instruction, but not explicitly addressed in this reg.

On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 7:24:55 AM UTC-5, John Godfrey (QT) wrote:
On Thursday, August 13, 2020 at 2:13:03 AM UTC-4, David Shelton wrote:
The regs state that solo students must receive and log "flight training" for "Procedures for disassembly and assembly of the glider." "Flight Training" is defined in 14 CFR 61.1 as training "received from an authorized instructor in flight in an aircraft." Technically, students must be trained to disassemble the glider while in flight!
The requirement to instruct in assembly/disassemble procedures is the most explicit requirement in this reg that the student know how to tell if the aircraft is assembled properly. Teaching of preflight inspection in ubiquitious in pre-solo instruction, but not explicitly addressed in this reg.

So far I've had only one person actually argue that aspect with me.

I have to share this, I actually have somebody who continues to argue back channel that I am full of crap. He lacks the intellectual integrity to come here and argue it for himself so instead he's threatening (indirectly) suit for libel for a job he does for free.

No, I'm not making this up.

Concerning Burt’s comment on the FAA exemption letter for non A&Ps to assemble gliders... anybody know where to find it on the SSA site?
I’m not having any luck finding it.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 11:05:35 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Concerning Burt’s comment on the FAA exemption letter for non A&Ps to assemble gliders... anybody know where to find it on the SSA site?
I’m not having any luck finding it.
"This information can be found in Amendment 43-27, published in 52 FR 17276, May 6, 1987 which is an amendment to 14 CFR part 43.."

Even if you can't find it, the FSDO guy will happily take a half-day to look it up!

Jeez this new format is atrocious.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:47:42 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 11:05:35 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Concerning Burt’s comment on the FAA exemption letter for non A&Ps to assemble gliders... anybody know where to find it on the SSA site?

Glider Assembly Exemption.
An aircraft logbook entry is not required for assembling a glider.

From the FAA Glider Flying Handbook, page 6-2 (8083-13A, the current edition):
“The assembly of a glider to include the installation of glider wings and tail surfaces is classified as operations functions not preventative maintenance.
This information can be found in Amendment 43-27, published in 52 FR 17276, May 6, 1987 which is an amendment to 14 CFR part 43.�
The FAA considers that training in assembling a glider is part of the mandatory glider pre-solo training requirements in CFR 61.87(i)(13). Therefore, it not a part 43 preventative maintenance action which would require a logbook entry, but a normal operational action and no logbook entry is required.

Thanks Tony and Burt.... very helpful!

From the FAA Glider Flying Handbook, page 6-2 (8083-13A, the current edition):
“The assembly of a glider to include the installation of glider wings and tail surfaces is classified as operations functions not preventative maintenance.
This information can be found in Amendment 43-27, published in 52 FR 17276, May 6, 1987 which is an amendment to 14 CFR part 43.�
The FAA considers that training in assembling a glider is part of the mandatory glider pre-solo training requirements in CFR 61.87(i)(13). Therefore, it not a part 43 preventative maintenance action which would require a logbook entry, but a normal operational action and no logbook entry is required.

Neat!
Back when I first started flying gliders, an instructor told me that you had to log assembly and disassembly in the logbook. Seeing as that was 1986, it was certainly true then!

Here's the link to the exemption, stored at the Library of Congress:
https://www.loc.gov/item/fr052087/

You'll find the exemption listed in Chapter VII, near the end of the document.

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:27:02 AM UTC-7, Piet Barber wrote:
From the FAA Glider Flying Handbook, page 6-2 (8083-13A, the current edition):
“The assembly of a glider to include the installation of glider wings and tail surfaces is classified as operations functions not preventative maintenance.
This information can be found in Amendment 43-27, published in 52 FR 17276, May 6, 1987 which is an amendment to 14 CFR part 43.�
The FAA considers that training in assembling a glider is part of the mandatory glider pre-solo training requirements in CFR 61.87(i)(13). Therefore, it not a part 43 preventative maintenance action which would require a logbook entry, but a normal operational action and no logbook entry is required.


Another argument is that the glider POH, FAA-approved procedures for the pilot to follow, contains instructions on how to assemble and disassemble the glider.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 8:47:42 PM UTC-5, Tony wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 11:05:35 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Concerning Burt’s comment on the FAA exemption letter for non A&Ps to assemble gliders... anybody know where to find it on the SSA site?
I’m not having any luck finding it.
"This information can be found in Amendment 43-27, published in 52 FR 17276, May 6, 1987 which is an amendment to 14 CFR part 43."

Even if you can't find it, the FSDO guy will happily take a half-day to look it up!

Jeez this new format is atrocious.

Tony,

The FSDO could have cared less.