What Col Killian really said :)

Leadfoot wrote:

Read it and weep

Why would I weep?

Or do you just want to only believe the parts ot the interview you like?


I believe the parts of the story that are credible.

Fact: Bush's OPRs signed by Killian that are undeniably genuine reflect a very
positive and complimentary opinion. We're now supposed to disregard those OPRs
and believe a rabid anti-Bush partisan when she says; "I remember typing up
reports like the forged ones"? Only someone with no ability to make an unbiased
judgement would believe an 86 year olds memory over actual documents.

She does
remember her boss, colonel Jerry Killian, being upset over mr. Bush's
failure to follow orders to take a physical.

You would think being a Commander's secretary for 20 years she would have
picked up on the fact that the SQ/CC *does not* issue orders for physicals. In
fact, there are no *orders* issued for physicals. You leftists have been told
this again and again, but you simply disregard it. Why?

RATHER: The country was at war. It's very unusual for a military officer,
particularly a flying officer, not to obey a direct order from his superior,
or if not, tell me.


What a joke Rather has become.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

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Leadfoot wrote:

Read it and weep

Why would I weep?

Or do you just want to only believe the parts ot the interview you like?


I believe the parts of the story that are credible.

Fact: Bush's OPRs signed by Killian that are undeniably genuine reflect a
very
positive and complimentary opinion. We're now supposed to disregard those
OPRs
and believe a rabid anti-Bush partisan when she says; "I remember typing
up
reports like the forged ones"? Only someone with no ability to make an
unbiased
judgement would believe an 86 year olds memory over actual documents.


You don't know one officer who had great OER's and then suddenly went to
****? That never happens?


She does
remember her boss, colonel Jerry Killian, being upset over mr. Bush's
failure to follow orders to take a physical.

You would think being a Commander's secretary for 20 years she would have
picked up on the fact that the SQ/CC *does not* issue orders for
physicals. In
fact, there are no *orders* issued for physicals. You leftists have been
told
this again and again, but you simply disregard it. Why?

There aren't orders issued for things you are suppose to do. It's only when
you DON'T do them that the tactic of making it an order comes up.

You might remember I was in the same Air Force as you albeit at a different
time.

BTW I knew it was a fake when I saw CYA. the term normally used is "Memo
for the record"



RATHER: The country was at war. It's very unusual for a military officer,
particularly a flying officer, not to obey a direct order from his
superior,
or if not, tell me.


What a joke Rather has become.

You know it takes just one **** up by an airman to kill you in that B-52 you
fly, right? Probably wouldn't be your fault but an accident board can
easily blame you anyway.



BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Leadfoot wrote:

You don't know one officer who had great OER's and then suddenly went to
****?

Nope.

That never happens?

I'm sure it does, but you're going to have to provide me better evidence than
an 86 year old woman, relying on memories from 30+ years ago....who also
happens to believe Bush stole the 2000 election and lied to us about Iraq. She
is not an unbiased source, not even close. For CBS she was acceptable, but they
thought Burkett (a major Kerry contributer) was acceptable too.

There aren't orders issued for things you are suppose to do. It's only when
you DON'T do them that the tactic of making it an order comes up.

Problem is, if you decided you weren't going to get your physical and
*repeatedly* missed it *without a reason* and the unit thought this was
unacceptable there would be a much longer paper trail and the first order you
would receive would be from the Flight Surgeons office. I've known guys that
have missed several physicals and they never received an order from anyone.

You know it takes just one **** up by an airman to kill you in that B-52 you
fly, right? Probably wouldn't be your fault but an accident board can
easily blame you anyway.


But if I were the maintenance supervisor as well as the pilot I'd deserve the
blame.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
...
Leadfoot wrote:

You don't know one officer who had great OER's and then suddenly went to
****?

Nope.

That never happens?

I'm sure it does, but you're going to have to provide me better evidence
than
an 86 year old woman, relying on memories from 30+ years ago....who also
happens to believe Bush stole the 2000 election and lied to us about Iraq.
She
is not an unbiased source, not even close. For CBS she was acceptable, but
they
thought Burkett (a major Kerry contributer) was acceptable too.

So she is like SBVT?



There aren't orders issued for things you are suppose to do. It's only
when
you DON'T do them that the tactic of making it an order comes up.

Problem is, if you decided you weren't going to get your physical and
*repeatedly* missed it *without a reason* and the unit thought this was
unacceptable there would be a much longer paper trail and the first order
you
would receive would be from the Flight Surgeons office.

This was 30 years ago and in ANG unit. They might have done things a little
differently. Especially if the officer in questions daddy was a
congressman.

I've known guys that
have missed several physicals and they never received an order from
anyone.

Did they ultimately take it? And wouldn't an order from a Sqn. Commander
carry more weight than one from the flight surgeaons office?





You know it takes just one **** up by an airman to kill you in that B-52
you
fly, right? Probably wouldn't be your fault but an accident board can
easily blame you anyway.


But if I were the maintenance supervisor as well as the pilot I'd deserve
the
blame.

It might be that the initial ****up doesn't kill you but it leads to your
making a mistake that kills you. You don't have to be the maintenance
supervisor to be blamed.

BTW I noticed you snipped out my comment about being the Air Force. I've
met plenty of military enlisted and officer both present and past that think
Bush is an idiot and needs to go.






BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"