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A plowback tour was the career kiss of death for a naval aviator. Does
anyone know a naval aviator who had a plowback instructor tour and later screened for command? Practically 100% resigned as Lieutenants or LCDR selectees. The apparent solution was to use civil-service basic instructors. Oops, too expensive. The LDO Aviator program was created to make hot-to-fly enlisted personnel LDO's, use them for slave labor instructors, then give them the sea duty billets that young aviators normally failed at. Oops, most Charlie Whitehats smart enough for the program were smart enough for other programs with a future. Rick -- My real e-mail address is: "Don" wrote in message ... I'm coming in to this kind of late. I do vaguely remember hearing about the Enlisted Naval Aviator Program when I was in the VP community. You say the program "flopped?" Why did it flop? The limited number of personnel selected didn't make the program cost-effective? Or was it more of a political decision? I know some enlisted guys that are pretty good sticks in single-engine GA planes. I'm assuming they were instructing in T-34s? Just curious. Please reply to Don McIntyre Lancaster, PA |
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yofuri- A plowback tour was the career kiss of death for a naval aviator.
Does anyone know a naval aviator who had a plowback instructor tour and later screened for command? Practically 100% resigned as Lieutenants or LCDR selectees. BRBR I'm sure there are some...don't remember any now but altho not 'career enhancing', I am sure some did well when they finally got to the fleet, then onto their DH tour. Biggest problem was their timing. Probably had to do back to back sea tours to get the ontime DH tour and then the major DH ticket. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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A plowback tour was the career kiss of death for a naval aviator. Does
anyone know a naval aviator who had a plowback instructor tour and later screened for command? Practically 100% resigned as Lieutenants or LCDR selectees. I can't speak for more recent times, but during the late 1960s - early 1970s a sizeable percentage of many NA and NFO classes was SERGRADed immediately. The class ahead and behind one's own might all get fleet seats, with your own class only getting two or three - or none at all. There are instances of entire classes being stashed, especially in the NFO communities. As best I can determine, this did not hurt (or help) anyone's career path - it was just the way things were back then. Proof, if any more was needed, that "needs of the service" are always paramount. Owl sends. -- Mike Kanze 436 Greenbrier Road Half Moon Bay, California 94019-2259 USA "Hey, it's a long way to victory over terrorists and we're barely out of the driveway. So kids, stop asking, 'Are we there yet?'" - Larry Mazur, Jr. "Yofuri" wrote in message ... A plowback tour was the career kiss of death for a naval aviator. [rest snipped] |
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"Mike Kanze" wrote in message ...
A plowback tour was the career kiss of death for a naval aviator. Does anyone know a naval aviator who had a plowback instructor tour and later screened for command? Practically 100% resigned as Lieutenants or LCDR selectees. I know of one plowback/retread who eventually had command of an operational squadron, the rag, got his deep draft, and finally a wing. |
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Sid- I know of one plowback/retread who eventually had command of an
operational squadron, the rag, got his deep draft, and finally a wing. BRBR name please?? P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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"Pechs1" wrote...
Sid- I know of one plowback/retread who eventually had command of an operational squadron, the rag, got his deep draft, and finally a wing. name please?? Different one, but Don Barbaree (SERGRAD VT-25 ca 1979) was CO of Kitty Hawk just prior to Iraqi Freedom. Currently acting COMOPTEVFOR. |
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"Pechs1" wrote...
Sid- I know of one plowback/retread who eventually had command of an operational squadron, the rag, got his deep draft, and finally a wing. name please?? Different one, but Don Barbaree (SERGRAD VT-25 ca 1979) was CO of Kitty Hawk just prior to Iraqi Freedom. Currently acting COMOPTEVFOR. |
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"Pechs1" wrote...
Sid- I know of one plowback/retread who eventually had command of an operational squadron, the rag, got his deep draft, and finally a wing. name please?? Different one, but Don Barbaree (SERGRAD VT-25 ca 1979) was CO of Kitty Hawk just prior to Iraqi Freedom. Currently acting COMOPTEVFOR. |
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Mike- I can't speak for more recent times, but during the late 1960s - early
1970s a sizeable percentage of many NA and NFO classes was SERGRADed immediately. BRBR Got my wings in June of '74...for many weeks before, all the nuggets were 'plowed back'...During my 'week', there were 25 fleet seats available, only 18 or so nuggets available. They waited until the next week to fill these, with new nuggets. REALLY peeved the SerGrads.. 3 Phantom, some S-3, lots of A-7 and A-4(Bruce Carrier), 3 or 4 A-6, even some Spad I think. Right place at the right time. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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