The Apology

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 8:56:03 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Mike , I will address that to both parties, Mitch and Kimmine. They, I will say they because as you stated I should reply to both of them, so I will ask them the same question. No Andy, don't bury my heart at wounded knee.. I have been objective to the complaints since they first appeared.
Chip has personally attacked me along with a few others, but they have offered no substantive defense for which they continue to solidify their position. Kimmine and Mitch objected to the term Feminatzi, when that term was explained both have not commented. I have no problem defending this hill, as stated before, I have no apologies. The problem lies within a group that caused huge divide within our, and I stress our beloved community. I know a bit more than you might think about the ramifications of the depiction, that does not make it right or wrong.
This reminds me of those whom want everything to be politically correct, maybe everyone needs to take a big breathe and look at the ramifications. Mike, Kimmine, Mitch, Freddie, Chip, and Anderson, whom seems to be the most logical of the group, who created the distraction and did it support the consequences? I will await the answer.
I do not agree with their dispersions as to whom is tearing this apart, look into the mirror and see if those recognize anyone.
Anybody else just sitting there staring at their screen going "what in the hell did I just read?"

Bob. I was really hoping for an "Aha!" moment from you where you stopped for a second and went "yeah, ok, maybe its alright for people that think differently from me to express an opinion, and it may be possible that people with different life experiences than me possibly have valid issues with things that I don't consider to be offensive."

At this point I'll be happy (well, not happy, slightly less disappointed in humanity as a whole) if you stop using words that include "nazi" in them to describe women.

Can you do that? Look, we can treat it like a twelve step program. Let's just get through the next 24 hours. Together. You can do it. I believe in you. I believe in humanity.
Hugh, isn't that what I have said all along, it is all about perception, you need to read my post.

Nah, let's just go with inability to learn. Here, let me recap for everyone:

"Mitch objected to the term Feminatzi, when that term was explained both have not commented. I have no problem defending this hill, as stated before, I have no apologies."
-Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida, 27 October, 2020, 6:37

"Yet she was the Feminazi that came to the office most every day with her very revealing tits exposing in a n extremely revealing top, I could not help just taking a look at those puppies from time to time. In your eyes I guess that made me a sexist.
-Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida, October 27th, 2020, 2:43PM

"Mark, you make a great point , the apology should be from these Feminazi organizers whose mission was only to create conflict. This Femitifa approach should not be tolerated, solution, defund the WSPA as part or association with the SSA. "
-Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida, Oct 20, 2020, 12:03:12

"The complaints and the sniveling apologies are appalling. And the woman in the ad would be more attractive if she had kept her mouth shut."
-Greg Ballou, Elmwood, Massachusetts, Oct 21, 2020, 12:49:44

"Poor women, women have lost a lot since the 1950's if you think being a childless corporate whore is better than being a stay at home mother you need to talk to some honest women.
-Greg Ballou, Elmwood, Massachusetts, Oct 23, 2020, 4:24:47

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 9:41:05 PM UTC-4, Kimmine and Mitch Hudson wrote:
Nah, let's just go with inability to learn. Here, let me recap for everyone:
"Mitch objected to the term Feminatzi, when that term was explained both have not commented. I have no problem defending this hill, as stated before, I have no apologies."
-Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida, 27 October, 2020, 6:37
"Yet she was the Feminazi that came to the office most every day with her very revealing tits exposing in a n extremely revealing top, I could not help just taking a look at those puppies from time to time. In your eyes I guess that made me a sexist.
-Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida, October 27th, 2020, 2:43PM
"Mark, you make a great point , the apology should be from these Feminazi organizers whose mission was only to create conflict. This Femitifa approach should not be tolerated, solution, defund the WSPA as part or association with the SSA. "
-Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida, Oct 20, 2020, 12:03:12

"The complaints and the sniveling apologies are appalling. And the woman in the ad would be more attractive if she had kept her mouth shut."
-Greg Ballou, Elmwood, Massachusetts, Oct 21, 2020, 12:49:44

"Poor women, women have lost a lot since the 1950's if you think being a childless corporate whore is better than being a stay at home mother you need to talk to some honest women.
-Greg Ballou, Elmwood, Massachusetts, Oct 23, 2020, 4:24:47
Kimmine and Mitch, Please stay on topic and respond to the original question that I asked of you. Your post continue to remind me to the format of the Feminist Fight Club. Please expand your horizons and stay focused on the questions.

On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 at 01:57:16 UTC, wrote:
Kimmine and Mitch, Please stay on topic and respond to the original question that I asked of you. Your post continue to remind me to the format of the Feminist Fight Club. Please expand your horizons and stay focused on the questions.

Maybe those quotes don't need repeating as an unpleasant reminder, or maybe they do, as this argument has extended well beyond comment on the original trigger and responses, and now itself includes offensive remarks made here

And someone flatly denied one of those remarks was made, thereby more or less asserting quotes of it had been dishonestly invented.

Now, instead of saying, oh, my mistake, thanks for pointing out it was there all along, the denier avoided any comment on that poimt and has switched to being combative with points against other posts as if equally poor. They aren't.

If we are guilty so are you is not a clever defence consistent with previously having denied guilt.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 9:41:05 PM UTC-4, Kimmine and Mitch Hudson wrote:
Nah, let's just go with inability to learn. Here, let me recap for everyone:
"Mitch objected to the term Feminatzi, when that term was explained both have not commented. I have no problem defending this hill, as stated before, I have no apologies."
-Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida, 27 October, 2020, 6:37
"Yet she was the Feminazi that came to the office most every day with her very revealing tits exposing in a n extremely revealing top, I could not help just taking a look at those puppies from time to time. In your eyes I guess that made me a sexist.
-Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida, October 27th, 2020, 2:43PM
"Mark, you make a great point , the apology should be from these Feminazi organizers whose mission was only to create conflict. This Femitifa approach should not be tolerated, solution, defund the WSPA as part or association with the SSA. "
-Bob Youngblood, Vero Beach, Florida, Oct 20, 2020, 12:03:12

"The complaints and the sniveling apologies are appalling. And the woman in the ad would be more attractive if she had kept her mouth shut."
-Greg Ballou, Elmwood, Massachusetts, Oct 21, 2020, 12:49:44

"Poor women, women have lost a lot since the 1950's if you think being a childless corporate whore is better than being a stay at home mother you need to talk to some honest women.
-Greg Ballou, Elmwood, Massachusetts, Oct 23, 2020, 4:24:47
I have really enjoyed having you in the batters box. here it is after 10 on the East Coast, must go watch a bit of Fox News, fair and balanced and get ready to work in the mango grove in the morning. Hope you have a wonderful evening and stay safe. Bob

I have really enjoyed having you in the batters box. here it is after 10 on the East Coast, must go watch a bit of Fox News, fair and balanced and get ready to work in the mango grove in the morning. Hope you have a wonderful evening and stay safe. Bob

Bob, I'm really proud of you. That's two posts, no fascist or nazi undertones. This is what progress looks like.

Thanks for this. We'll get through it, brother. Together. I'll be here for you.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 10:25:21 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I have really enjoyed having you in the batters box. here it is after 10 on the East Coast, must go watch a bit of Fox News, fair and balanced and get ready to work in the mango grove in the morning. Hope you have a wonderful evening and stay safe. Bob
Bob, I'm really proud of you. That's two posts, no fascist or nazi undertones. This is what progress looks like.

Thanks for this. We'll get through it, brother. Together. I'll be here for you.
Thanks Hugh, I must say it was a hard days work today getting all my mango and avocado trees trimmed and fertilized but the results next summer will be rewarding. I know that this has been a delicate subject, those feminazi radicals turned the bowl upside down. I have appreciated everyone's opinions, even Chip who continued to get personal.
I was quiet surprised that there was no comment on the origin that I explained about the term Feminazi, all some could do is throw manure on the wall and hope some of it sticks. Andy was the only person whom posted that wanted to or was capable of engaging in constructive dialogue.
Now, I guess it is time to let the pony ride, I sure wish Lewis Grizzard was still with us , I bet he would be writing a book about this event, the title would probably be "Those Melons Sure Look Good."
Before I close the curtain let me say that it has certainly been a pleasure engaging in this topic . Not often do we engage in dialogue as constructive as this, even in spite of what K&M say. Loosen up, we all have bigger fish to fry. May your soaring be rewarding, your life be enjoyable and may soaring continue to advance and be enjoyable to all of us no matter what our perceptions are. Bob Youngblood, beautiful Vero Beach, Florida

On Wednesday, 28 October 2020 13:32:08 UTC-6, wrote:
On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 10:25:21 PM UTC-4, wrote:
I have really enjoyed having you in the batters box. here it is after 10 on the East Coast, must go watch a bit of Fox News, fair and balanced and get ready to work in the mango grove in the morning. Hope you have a wonderful evening and stay safe. Bob
Bob, I'm really proud of you. That's two posts, no fascist or nazi undertones. This is what progress looks like.

Thanks for this. We'll get through it, brother. Together. I'll be here for you.
Thanks Hugh, I must say it was a hard days work today getting all my mango and avocado trees trimmed and fertilized but the results next summer will be rewarding. I know that this has been a delicate subject, those feminazi radicals turned the bowl upside down. I have appreciated everyone's opinions, even Chip who continued to get personal.
I was quiet surprised that there was no comment on the origin that I explained about the term Feminazi, all some could do is throw manure on the wall and hope some of it sticks. Andy was the only person whom posted that wanted to or was capable of engaging in constructive dialogue.
Now, I guess it is time to let the pony ride, I sure wish Lewis Grizzard was still with us , I bet he would be writing a book about this event, the title would probably be "Those Melons Sure Look Good."
Before I close the curtain let me say that it has certainly been a pleasure engaging in this topic . Not often do we engage in dialogue as constructive as this, even in spite of what K&M say. Loosen up, we all have bigger fish to fry. May your soaring be rewarding, your life be enjoyable and may soaring continue to advance and be enjoyable to all of us no matter what our perceptions are. Bob Youngblood, beautiful Vero Beach, Florida

Yes I believe it is time for

kumbaya, kumbaya

https://www.definitions.net/definition/kumbaya


...... was originally associated with human and spiritual unity, closeness and compassion, and it still is, but more recently it is also cited or alluded to in satirical or cynical ways which suggest false moralizing, hypocrisy, or naively optimistic views of the world and human nature.

I just spent more than an hour reading through this thread and I just want to add a couple of observations.

I can understand why the ad was offensive to some women. It's really a no brainer if you put yourself in their shoes.

I can just as well understand why their complaints and the subsequent apology may be offensive to someone holding conservative views, who feels that the freedom of speech is under attack by the woke crowd of overly sensitive liberal snowflakes.

THe common thread here is that people become overly sensitive when they see that their concerns aren't being heard, understood and validated.

I wish that all of us could turn our sensitivities down a notch. It would help smooth things out in the SSA and beyond.

Doug

Hey, Bob, we actually agree on something! I did get personal. In my defense, it's pretty hard not to when the debate is over what someone says, does, and believes and not whether FLARM should be mandatory in contests or if remote thermal detection devices should be banned, or even who should be the next president of the United States.

I would have been OK debating whether some of the letters were a bit confrontational or counterproductive. There are ways to gently register a concern that help promote an open dialogue and a satisfactory compromise.

Quickly, however, the real debate became not whether the complaints and SSA's response were justified but whether your response (and others like it) was acceptable. You led off by alluding to an orchestrated attack on the SSA.. By the next day, you had graduated to referring to the women who had complained as Feminazis, among other things. Gregg raised the ante with "childless corporate whore", which seems destined to follow him forever given his unrepentant posture.

Maybe I'm "overly sensitive" but when I see someone referring to people I know using a form of the term Nazi, it's pretty inflammatory. Like you, however, I looked up the word. Wikipedia (flawed, but at least it collects multiple references) defines Feminazi as "a pejorative term for feminists which was popularized by politically conservative American radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh." The Oxford Dictionary of American Slang says "it refers (pejoratively) to "a committed feminist or a strong-willed woman".

On that basis, although juxtaposing "Nazi" and "feminist" is questionable to me, I wouldn't accuse you of wanting to cleanse the world of women by force to make room for a [short-lived and sexually frustrated] master race of Floridian men.

But there's the word "perjorative", which means "expressing contempt or disapproval". That's not calculated to lead to productive debate.

Further into the Wikipedia entry, there's discussion about Feminazi being used "to marginalize any feminist as a hardline, uncompromising manhater." That's a pretty disparaging depiction, especially combined with being viewed with contempt.

So, yeah, my disagreement with you (and some others) IS personal. As I said, we could debate whether some or all of the letters to the SSA were appropriate or even if SSA's response was reasonable. I think it was even though, in Doug's terms, I'm a generally conservative guy who DOES worry, a lot, that "the freedom of speech is under attack by the woke crowd of overly sensitive liberal snowflakes." I live in the never-never world of AOC and NYC Mayor Bill DeBlasio so I'm primed to push back at a lot of what I consider social justice overreaches.

But not this one, especially not once the Feminazi comments started. You weren't the only one, but this was your thread and you carried the torch.

I also disagree this was a constructive dialogue. I think it dragged all of us down and probably didn't change any minds.

But I have few regrets. I may have lost some friends but given what I read here in the past few days, if I have, then they're not the men I thought they were.

BTW, This discussion is poised to, in a few hours, move into 9th place on the list of Top Ten RAS Discussions in the past 12 months (and likely for 2020). That is a remarkably depressing fact and one I would never have thought possible.

Chip Bearden
JB