What have we learned from all this?

On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:56:02 PM UTC-7, Gregg Ballou wrote:

...Yearly flu has a higher body count...

Quick though belated update: A week or so ago US deaths from Covid-19 surpassed 300,000. That was in about ten months since the first US death in early February. With daily deaths averaging ~2500, we're now up around 320,000.

--Bob K.

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:26:49 PM UTC-5, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:56:02 PM UTC-7, Gregg Ballou wrote:

...Yearly flu has a higher body count...
Quick though belated update: A week or so ago US deaths from Covid-19 surpassed 300,000. That was in about ten months since the first US death in early February. With daily deaths averaging ~2500, we're now up around 320,000.

--Bob K.
Without comorbidity BS accounting the 'rona death rate is less than the usual flu bodycount. Except curiously this year there is no flu. All cause mortality is the same or a bit less in 2020. You are free to be as scared as you want, or as scared as the TV tells you to be. FYI being scared is really bad for immune system functioning.
Merry Christmas everyone. And have a blessed 2021. I'm not expecting a racing season in '21 but if we shut off the TV and go to the airport we will get some great soaring in.
PS Some numbers from the Pfizer control group https://www.theburningplatform.com/2...ovid-hysteria/

Gregg Ballou wrote on 12/21/2020 4:57 PM:
On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 5:26:49 PM UTC-5, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 4:56:02 PM UTC-7, Gregg Ballou wrote:

...Yearly flu has a higher body count...
Quick though belated update: A week or so ago US deaths from Covid-19 surpassed 300,000. That was in about ten months since the first US death in early February. With daily deaths averaging ~2500, we're now up around 320,000.

--Bob K.
Without comorbidity BS accounting the 'rona death rate is less than the usual flu bodycount. Except curiously this year there is no flu. All cause mortality is the same or a bit less in 2020. You are free to be as scared as you want, or as scared as the TV tells you to be. FYI being scared is really bad for immune system functioning.
Merry Christmas everyone. And have a blessed 2021. I'm not expecting a racing season in '21 but if we shut off the TV and go to the airport we will get some great soaring in.
PS Some numbers from the Pfizer control group https://www.theburningplatform.com/2...ovid-hysteria/

There was plenty of flu this year (estimates of 20-40,000 deaths for the 2019-2020 season), but
very little so far in the 2020-2021 season (that's normal, early in the season, which starts on
week 40). Take a look at the chart (scroll down to "National Center for Health Statistics
(NCHS) Mortality Surveillance"), which shows pneumonia, flu, and Covid-19 deaths:

Pneumonia and Influenza (P&I) Mortality Surveillance

Mortality for people dying with flu-like symptoms is up substantially.

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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

It has been hard for people to understand the diference between a public health responce, and a personal health responce. If the vaccine provides significant protection for me (and makes me unable to transit the virus) then if I take it, I don't care if anyone else does. I am good to go. However, the public health issue is what is driving the concern. It is the capisity of the health system, that is overloaded, the morbidity of the virus goes up. The rate of spread controls this. So if it goes unchecked, then truly unrelated illness/accidents goes up from lack of health care workers.

In that there are many hospitals that are now at 100% capisity, we are about to see the effects of unchecked spread. So from a personal prospective, anyone is welcome to deal with there own perceived risk any way they want, but from a public health perspective, you should raly around the flag, and do your part for your countrymen.

The problem with some people (and now even some Swedes) is they are unwilling to curb their activity for the greater good, so government has had to step in. The vaccine rollout will be too slow to effectively curb the public spread for many more months. So buckle up bucks, we still have a long ride.

And if you realy think this is still like the flu, just ask an accute care nurse, who might actually know.

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 6:11:20 AM UTC-7, RR wrote:
It has been hard for people to understand the diference between a public health responce, and a personal health responce. If the vaccine provides significant protection for me (and makes me unable to transit the virus) then if I take it, I don't care if anyone else does. I am good to go. However, the public health issue is what is driving the concern. It is the capisity of the health system, that is overloaded, the morbidity of the virus goes up. The rate of spread controls this. So if it goes unchecked, then truly unrelated illness/accidents goes up from lack of health care workers.

In that there are many hospitals that are now at 100% capisity, we are about to see the effects of unchecked spread. So from a personal prospective, anyone is welcome to deal with there own perceived risk any way they want, but from a public health perspective, you should raly around the flag, and do your part for your countrymen.

The problem with some people (and now even some Swedes) is they are unwilling to curb their activity for the greater good, so government has had to step in. The vaccine rollout will be too slow to effectively curb the public spread for many more months. So buckle up bucks, we still have a long ride.

And if you realy think this is still like the flu, just ask an accute care nurse, who might actually know.
https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/6/e0...D19%20severity. FWIW, you may exercise a choice in that MMR II is considered safe, may impact the severity of COVID-19, may be available at your local commercial shot providers without a doctor's referral, and costs around $100 per injection, 2 x 4 weeks. Other articles are saying to recommended, but it may be a viable option for some.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play on on the Internet, but a doctor did share this.

Frank Whiteley wrote on 12/22/2020 11:55 AM:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 6:11:20 AM UTC-7, RR wrote:
It has been hard for people to understand the diference between a public health responce, and a personal health responce. If the vaccine provides significant protection for me (and makes me unable to transit the virus) then if I take it, I don't care if anyone else does. I am good to go. However, the public health issue is what is driving the concern. It is the capisity of the health system, that is overloaded, the morbidity of the virus goes up. The rate of spread controls this. So if it goes unchecked, then truly unrelated illness/accidents goes up from lack of health care workers.

In that there are many hospitals that are now at 100% capisity, we are about to see the effects of unchecked spread. So from a personal prospective, anyone is welcome to deal with there own perceived risk any way they want, but from a public health perspective, you should raly around the flag, and do your part for your countrymen.

The problem with some people (and now even some Swedes) is they are unwilling to curb their activity for the greater good, so government has had to step in. The vaccine rollout will be too slow to effectively curb the public spread for many more months. So buckle up bucks, we still have a long ride.

And if you realy think this is still like the flu, just ask an accute care nurse, who might actually know.
https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/6/e0...D19%20severity. FWIW, you may exercise a choice in that MMR II is considered safe, may impact the severity of COVID-19, may be available at your local commercial shot providers without a doctor's referral, and costs around $100 per injection, 2 x 4 weeks. Other articles are saying to recommended, but it may be a viable option for some.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play on on the Internet, but a doctor did share this.

It's an interesting study, but here's an excerpt from an article about the study (the article
is he
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...at-comes-next).


"However, Goldenberg stopped short of recommending that adults start asking for booster MMR shots.

“Administering MMR vaccine to adults to decrease illness severity during a COVID infection
should not be considered until randomized clinical trials demonstrate efficacy,” he told
Healthline.

Gohil concurred.

“It’s important to be thoughtful about it. I don’t think you should be giving someone a booster
just because there’s a potential link,” she said.

Gohil said there haven’t been studies on giving boosters to adults, and we don’t know what side
effects there might be. More research would be required before making such a recommendation.

“It would be replacing one problem for another if we didn’t study that in a systematic way,”
she said.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1

On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 2:53:35 PM UTC-7, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Frank Whiteley wrote on 12/22/2020 11:55 AM:
On Tuesday, December 22, 2020 at 6:11:20 AM UTC-7, RR wrote:
It has been hard for people to understand the diference between a public health responce, and a personal health responce. If the vaccine provides significant protection for me (and makes me unable to transit the virus) then if I take it, I don't care if anyone else does. I am good to go. However, the public health issue is what is driving the concern. It is the capisity of the health system, that is overloaded, the morbidity of the virus goes up. The rate of spread controls this. So if it goes unchecked, then truly unrelated illness/accidents goes up from lack of health care workers.

In that there are many hospitals that are now at 100% capisity, we are about to see the effects of unchecked spread. So from a personal prospective, anyone is welcome to deal with there own perceived risk any way they want, but from a public health perspective, you should raly around the flag, and do your part for your countrymen.

The problem with some people (and now even some Swedes) is they are unwilling to curb their activity for the greater good, so government has had to step in. The vaccine rollout will be too slow to effectively curb the public spread for many more months. So buckle up bucks, we still have a long ride.

And if you realy think this is still like the flu, just ask an accute care nurse, who might actually know.
https://mbio.asm.org/content/11/6/e0...D19%20severity. FWIW, you may exercise a choice in that MMR II is considered safe, may impact the severity of COVID-19, may be available at your local commercial shot providers without a doctor's referral, and costs around $100 per injection, 2 x 4 weeks. Other articles are saying to recommended, but it may be a viable option for some.

I am not a doctor, nor do I play on on the Internet, but a doctor did share this.

It's an interesting study, but here's an excerpt from an article about the study (the article
is he
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...at-comes-next).


"However, Goldenberg stopped short of recommending that adults start asking for booster MMR shots.

“Administering MMR vaccine to adults to decrease illness severity during a COVID infection
should not be considered until randomized clinical trials demonstrate efficacy,� he told
Healthline.

Gohil concurred.

“It’s important to be thoughtful about it. I don’t think you should be giving someone a booster
just because there’s a potential link,� she said.

Gohil said there haven’t been studies on giving boosters to adults, and we don’t know what side
effects there might be. More research would be required before making such a recommendation.

“It would be replacing one problem for another if we didn’t study that in a systematic way,�
she said.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
Sorry, I see I mistyped on my post, should have said "Other articles are saying NOT recommended. You found those. Some of this reminds me of the mandatory Swine Flu vaccines us in the military were given in 1976. I got two injections, a few weeks apart. FWIW, I felt great after the second shot for a long while, so am not sure what kind of elixir it was, but it added a feeling of intense physical well being. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but one of my wife's cousins had a bout of GBS following a flu shot 5-6 years ago and wound up on a ventilator for a while. He recovered but it put a dent in his life. I don't take the flu shot every year, but find it interesting that the MMR II might be the reason for younger persons being less affected.

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 6:57:12 PM UTC-6, Gregg Ballou wrote:
All cause mortality is the same or a bit less in 2020.

Apparently not - https://apnews.com/article/us-corona...4ee2e87ae8d5e7

Lou

On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 08:42:37 -0800, MNLou wrote:

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 6:57:12 PM UTC-6, Gregg Ballou wrote:
All cause mortality is the same or a bit less in 2020.

Apparently not -
https://apnews.com/article/us-corona...top-3-million-
e2bc856b6ec45563b84ee2e87ae8d5e7

Lou

Err, no.

That has to be ALL US deaths so far in 2020 because, according to
the Worldometers website, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
as of a minute ago, global COVID deaths are 1,730,566 with 331,518 of
those being in the USA.


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Martin | martin at
Gregorie | gregorie dot org

Agreed Martin - This compares all deaths in the US between different years. 2020 appears to be on track to be 400,000+ more than last year.

With only one obvious cause.

Lou