How Have Our Soaring Vendors Fared?

On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:

I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
I read that on QAnon too. ;-)
How a 80-year-old public servant of such long tenure and accomplishment became a boogyman to some is beyond my understanding, though I know that the loon who starred in that "Plandemic" conspiracy movie had it in for him for catching her falsifying her research decades ago - so maybe that's how it starts - malicious wingnuts.

It's not known how the vaccines affect infection and transmissibility - that is, whether they confer sterilizing immunity. There is some belief that the mRNA vaccines don't do this, but it's not been tested. The next round of vaccines are based on different technology, so they may be different - we just don't know for sure. So, obviously procedures would need to be made with this possibility in mind. It isn't clear to me that the risk of landout generates very high risks of exposure and spread, but perhaps tasking ought to be adapted to further reduce the possibility. Also retrieve procedures. In the world we hope for in the spring and summer it is reasonable to expect a manageable environment.

It's too early to know much with certainty with so many things in play. It would be nice if we could make it work this year, but if vaccine rollout is slow and public health authorities keep restrictions in place it'll be quite a difficult situation.

IMO it's best to plan for needing to mitigate against spread - then at least you have a plan.

Andy Blackburn
9B

P.S.
Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.

9B
He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.

Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:

I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.

P.S.
Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.

9B
He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.

It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
benefit by attacking those that are helping:

“Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,” he [Staley] said. “We
are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...h-coronavirus/

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Eric Greenwell

On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:

I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
P.S.
Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.

9B
He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.

It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
benefit by attacking those that are helping:

“Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...h-coronavirus/

--
Eric Greenwell

Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.

Tom

On January 12th, the first contest of the season had it's Preferential Entry Date deadline. I'm happy to report that the 2021 Senior Soaring Championship is once again a full contest with 60 pilots that will travel to Seminole-Lake Gliderport in Clermont Florida to compete. We will take good care of our pilots, crews, and volunteers. The waiting list is shorter than last year (4 verses 23), but this looks to be a good start to the season. Before the Seniors we plan to offer a handicapped Sailplane Grand Prix for 15 pilots to experience a different racing format. We did this at the end of the Seniors last year and it turned out to be a 15 race series. Everyone enjoyed it so much, we are bringing it back.

Best Regards,
Rich Owen
Contest Manager

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 2:08:13 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Before the Seniors we plan to offer a handicapped Sailplane Grand Prix for 15 pilots to experience a different racing format.

Rich,
What are the dates? How does one sign up?
Thanks,
Chris Schrader

Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.

QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html

Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.

Oh the irony.

Andy
9B

Thread drift complete


On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:47:30 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:

I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
P.S.
Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.

9B
He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.

It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
benefit by attacking those that are helping:

“Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...h-coronavirus/

--
Eric Greenwell
Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.

Tom

On 1/14/21 1:56 AM, Andy Blackburn wrote:
Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.

QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html

Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.

Oh the irony.


In Colorado, we have one of the best rates of injections given, yet less
than half have been administered. Our great governor, bluer than a
Smurf, constantly gives press conferences where he keeps saying the
vaccination rate is entirely paced by vaccine supply.

He's constantly changing the priority list, exactly two days after shots
started being given to highest risk people in nursing homes, he opened
it up to 'essential journalists', teachers, postal workers, and others.
Now it turns out, low level legislative assistants like millennial
clerks and secretaries have already been given shots, when the over 70
crowd is just starting to get theirs.

So is it Trump's fault we have a lying idiot for a governor here? BTW,
after all the preaching about masks and washing hands, our great
governor came down with the 'Rona himself.

Everybody's going to bitch about priorities that don't have them high on the list or don't comport with their sense of what's important. I think we've pretty quickly gotten to a place where the goal is to try to get it to older folks (especially in group homes) and some combination of folks with super high rates of exposure and potential to be spreaders. No one's going to agree on that at the micro-level so expect the usual sniping and inevitable politicization from people who see everything through a red/blue lens. The big change I've seen is the shift to a "use every dose" approach where there are outlets to administer unused doses before they expire - with much looser prioritization criteria. Some of that will be just having a continuous flow to vaccination centers where you ave long lines of people who are willing to be a ready arm to receive a stick. That seems like a pretty good method to drive up dose utilization - there are almost always people willing to stand in line.

I still don't get the Fauci thing. Maybe some more CAPS LOCK comments will make it clear.

;-)

9B

Hope our soaring vendors get vaccinated early - back to the original post.



On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 7:07:00 AM UTC-8, kinsell wrote:
On 1/14/21 1:56 AM, Andy Blackburn wrote:
Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.

QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html

Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.

Oh the irony.

In Colorado, we have one of the best rates of injections given, yet less
than half have been administered. Our great governor, bluer than a
Smurf, constantly gives press conferences where he keeps saying the
vaccination rate is entirely paced by vaccine supply.

He's constantly changing the priority list, exactly two days after shots
started being given to highest risk people in nursing homes, he opened
it up to 'essential journalists', teachers, postal workers, and others.
Now it turns out, low level legislative assistants like millennial
clerks and secretaries have already been given shots, when the over 70
crowd is just starting to get theirs.

So is it Trump's fault we have a lying idiot for a governor here? BTW,
after all the preaching about masks and washing hands, our great
governor came down with the 'Rona himself.

On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 12:56:22 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.

QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html

Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.

Oh the irony.

Andy
9B

Thread drift complete
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:47:30 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:

I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
P.S.
Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.

9B
He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.

It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
benefit by attacking those that are helping:

“Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...h-coronavirus/

--
Eric Greenwell
Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.

Tom

If you are looking for competence out of the Biden administration I think you are going to be sadly disappointed. Biden's management expertise amounts to running a Senate office. His COVID relief plan contained nothing that hadn't already been done. I think it will take the involvement of public and private companies, who are competent at efforts of this scale, to break the logjam. I listened to the CEO (sorry for the CAPS LOCK) of Honeywell talk about how Honeywell and other companies have started working on such a plan.

TOM THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR UNQUALIFIED POLITICAL OPINIONS ON A MOTHER ****ING SOARING GROUP. SINCE YOU SEEMS TO BE AN EXPERT ON ALL
I INVITE YOU TO CONSIDER WHAT WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE TOPICS FOR "RECREATION SOARING" NEWSGROUP. BTW, google groups established different groups by subject, os if it was good enough for them, it is good enough for us to adhere to said policies.

All of us

On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 2:25:15 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Thursday, January 14, 2021 at 12:56:22 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Tom - you need to go easier on your CAPS LOCK key or you're going to break it.

QAnon and Breitbart conspiracy theory stories notwithstanding the actual priorities for administering vaccines are set by state public health organizations, in some cases based on guidelines set by CDC (not NIH, where Fauci works). There is a committee (AICP) appointed by the HHS Secretary that makes the recommendation. I checked, Fauci isn't on it. Here's the link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/members/index.html

Certainly the CDC over-estimated the ability of the supply chain - particularly at the state level - to manage administering vaccines based on a complex prioritization scheme. But never fear, the incoming Biden administration is pushing (even before taking office) to set aside the priorities to ensure the that every dose get used on someone. So, more competent management is on the way with a more sensible approach - led by (drum roll) Anthony Fauci.

Oh the irony.

Andy
9B

Thread drift complete
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 12:47:30 PM UTC-8, 2G wrote:
On Wednesday, January 13, 2021 at 11:10:48 AM UTC-8, Eric Greenwell wrote:
Gregg Ballou wrote on 1/13/2021 9:59 AM:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 10:02:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 6:17:31 PM UTC-8, Gregg Ballou wrote:

I agree Fauci is beyond wrong and probably acting with malice.
P.S.
Back to originally scheduled thread programming from two levels of thread drift. In my boredom stuck at home I keep ordering soaring gear in the hope that one day I'll get to use it. Hopefully our soaring vendors are keeping above water.

9B
He did so great with AZT among other failures. Fly like it is 2019 or stay home.

It appears Fauci was (and is) supported by the people that needed AZT [HIV drug]. We do not
benefit by attacking those that are helping:

“Ever since the 1990 demonstration, we’ve been partners in fighting illnesses and diseases, and
our enemies now are hesitant politicians and anti-science radio hosts,� he [Staley] said. “We
are now Fauci’s great defenders against the anti-science. And the world is better for it.�

https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...h-coronavirus/

--
Eric Greenwell
Fauci IS NOT helping us by lying to us. I didn't ask him to lie - he did that all on his own. His credibility is shredded as a result. On top of that we have politicians reaching way beyond their legal authority to not only run our lives, but, in come cases, to literally kill us. Now they are demonstrating their incompetence by not inoculating people with a vaccine IN HAND (less than 35% has actually been used of the 25 million doses delivered to the states). Perfectly good vaccine doses are been THROWN AWAY by these nincompoops out of fear of government retribution. Then, they come back with the plea "Trust us, we will do better." I am with Missourians: show me.

Tom
If you are looking for competence out of the Biden administration I think you are going to be sadly disappointed. Biden's management expertise amounts to running a Senate office. His COVID relief plan contained nothing that hadn't already been done. I think it will take the involvement of public and private companies, who are competent at efforts of this scale, to break the logjam. I listened to the CEO (sorry for the CAPS LOCK) of Honeywell talk about how Honeywell and other companies have started working on such a plan.

BTW, our founding fathers used upper case, so if it was good enough for them, it is good enough for me.

Tom