Question about Rear Admiral, lower half

Commodore is a Title not a rank. (2003) You are correct in O7 RADM Lower and
O8 RADM Upper Half.

Commodore is actually, as a rank, a wartime designation for a one star.
Somewhere along the line, they played around with it and finally went back
to the peace time ranks. If you check with Bupers, you can find the O7
Commodore and O7 RADM Lowerhalf explanations.

JD

PS - But for the life of me, I could never understand the AF / Army Lt Gen
out ranking a Major Gen. LOL ( and before someone tries to explain it to
me, I KNOW that a Lt Gen is 3 stars and a Major Gen is 2 stars. As it is the
same in the Marines)


"John Carrier" wrote in message
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Rear Admiral, lower half, is an O-7 (one broad stripe, one star). Rear
Admiral, upper half, is an O-8 (the big JG, two stars). Commodore was in
and out in a hurry. Used to refer to all kinds of O-6 bonus command slots
(Commodore FTG, Commodore TRAWING One, Commodore DESRON 2, etc), then they
tried it on O-7 and the flag guys HATED it (General, Admiral, Commodore?).
We're now back to the old usage of Commodore. Been that way since long
before you retired, Peaches.

R / John

"Pechs1" wrote in message
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Shows ya all how long since I retired. Does O-8, Rear Adm., lower half,
wear
one star or two?

When did they stop calling same pay grade 'Commodore'? I know they did
for
a
while.

Do Commanders of small-ish groups of ships, smaller than a CVBG, are
they
still
refered to as 'Commodore'?? Even if they are O-7s?

Thanks in advance-
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

"Jake Donovan" wrote in message
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SNIP SNIP SNIP SNIP!
PS - But for the life of me, I could never understand the AF / Army Lt Gen
out ranking a Major Gen. LOL ( and before someone tries to explain it to
me, I KNOW that a Lt Gen is 3 stars and a Major Gen is 2 stars. As it is
the
same in the Marines)

Many, many years ago I heard an explanation for this. As best I recall they
said Lt Gen was a rank in the regular army. The mounted (calvary) army
decided to be different and call their general of the same pay grade a
MajGen. Of course it wasn't long before they were trying to convince
everyone that MajGen out ranked Lt.Gen. The regular army didn't buy it.

Your fables may vary.

Red

"Red" wrote in message
. ..

Many, many years ago I heard an explanation for this. As best I recall
they
said Lt Gen was a rank in the regular army. The mounted (calvary) army
decided to be different and call their general of the same pay grade a
MajGen. Of course it wasn't long before they were trying to convince
everyone that MajGen out ranked Lt.Gen. The regular army didn't buy it.

Your fables may vary.


It's simpler than that. Originally (17th century) it was "Captain General,"
"Lieutenant General," and "Sergeant Major General." That's "general" as in
above all others, like Attorney General or Postmaster General. Over the
years the "captain" and "sergeant" were dropped, and "general" went from an
adjective to a noun.

--Justin

"Jake Donovan" wrote in message
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JD

PS - But for the life of me, I could never understand the AF / Army Lt Gen
out ranking a Major Gen. LOL ( and before someone tries to explain it to
me, I KNOW that a Lt Gen is 3 stars and a Major Gen is 2 stars. As it is
the
same in the Marines)


You have to go back to the meaning of lieutenant, vice (regent if I remember
correctly) or in lieu of. in other words one who act for a superior, thus
lieutenant colonel or lieutenant general. That said, I do not remember why
lieutenant starts the officer ranks.

Tex Houston

Tex- You have to go back to the meaning of lieutenant, vice (regent if I
remember
correctly) or in lieu of. in other words one who act for a superior, thus
lieutenant colonel or lieutenant general. That said, I do not remember why
lieutenant starts the officer ranks. BRBR

It doesn't, it starts with "Ensign"...

;i-)
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

"Pechs1" wrote in message
...
Tex- You have to go back to the meaning of lieutenant, vice (regent if I
remember
correctly) or in lieu of. in other words one who act for a superior, thus
lieutenant colonel or lieutenant general. That said, I do not remember
why
lieutenant starts the officer ranks. BRBR

It doesn't, it starts with "Ensign"...

;i-)
P. C. Chisholm

Even call a Marine 'Ensign'...Don't! (vbg)

Tex

Tex- Even call a Marine 'Ensign'...Don't! BRBR

Nope, we called our Marines 'Ugly Little Sisters'..

Got tired of being called 'captain' while on USAF exchange also..even when I
had a Khaiki hat on..
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

This brings back the memories of a USAF Captain on exchange duty with
VAH-5 41 years ago. He had maybe 4,000 hours multi-engine including the
RB-66. After A-3 plane commander training in the RAG/VAH-3, he reported
aboard VAH-5 preparing for the 1962 Forrestal Med cruise. He completed
FCLP's with squadron pilots, did his day carquals, and one night
proceeded out with a few other Whales to FDR for night carquals.

He made a nice first approach and got an OK-3, but sat transfixed by the
experience, frozen with his right hand on the fully advanced throttles,
ignoring his b/n's and pri-fly's calls - and the plane director's
directions - to "cut your throttles." He finally came up on the radio
saying, "This is my first #@% &#$ night landing, let me catch my $*@#
breath." As he taxied out of the wires, another firmer voice came up
saying, "Somerset 607, say pilot's name and rank."

Whether it was him or the b/n who answered I don't know, I think my ear
canals were constricting at the moment, but loud and clear came,
"Dursteler, William; rank, Captain."

From the bridge came, "Thank you, sir. Have a good evening."

I know many of you have similar stories, but Bill was a fine Mushmouth
and Heavy Attack pilot. I think several A-3's nearly taxied overboard
that night with laughter. I had the honor of tracking him down several
years ago to get him together with some squadron mates and we talked a
little. He told me that when he returned to the Air Force, he was
current in five Navy a/c including the A-5A/RA-5C Vigilante, something
unheard of in the AF, where one a/c seemed to have been the norm.
Joel McEachen

Pechs1 wrote:
Tex- Even call a Marine 'Ensign'...Don't! BRBR

Nope, we called our Marines 'Ugly Little Sisters'..

Got tired of being called 'captain' while on USAF exchange also..
even when I had a Khaki hat on..
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)