Wearing a G-1 flight jacket off base?

Woody,

You almost got it right. Leather jackets can be worn any where in khakis or
flight suit.

Nomex (green) jacket can only be worn on flight line. You can wear it coming
on base, or leaving base but can only be "seen" in it on the flight line and
the O'club. (Or entering and leaving quarters to or from the flightline.)

There is some leeway made for transient pilots with downed aircraft.

I honestly had a black shoe Chief quote me the regs in an on base Navy
Exchange while waiting on repairs (went and had lunch). I told him "this is
what I arrived in, I wasn't sitting in 40 deg weather for hours in the
transient shack and if he would like, he could accompany me to the Base CO
and discuss it."

Backed down and said, "I guess they allow that, Capt" and walked off.

JD



"Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message
...
On 10/16/03 4:38 PM, in article
, "Michael"
wrote:

What are the current regulations in regard to this? A friend of mine
in Chicago said while he was at lunch the other day he saw a Navy
officer in uniform and his G-1 at a fast food joint. He was suprised
to the see the flight jacket, because he was under the impression they
weren't allowed to be worn off base. I figure since the guy was in
uniform and the G-1 doesn't really get used in the air much anymore,
that it was fine to be wearing it.

Thanks,

~Michael

There are more important things to worry about but...

My understanding of the current regulations is:

Leather jackets may be worn either with khakis or with a flight suit on or
off base.

The green flight jacket may be worn only with the flight suit or with the
"working khakis" and then only on base.

Of course, I don't get spun up about it since I believe that pilots should
dress like pilots and a flight suit in town (jacket or no) expresses a
positive image to the public.

--Woody

Nomex (green) jacket can only be worn on flight line. You can wear it
coming
on base, or leaving base but can only be "seen" in it on the flight line
and
the O'club. (Or entering and leaving quarters to or from the flightline.)

That may be written down somewhere, but I never had a problem wearing the
nomex jacket ANYWHERE on base in my entire career ... going back over thirty
years. That includes the infamous era at Miramar when Field Day Fellows
would post squadron XO's at the main gate to bust anyone wearing their
flight jacket in their car.

These days I wear one anywhere I please.

R / John

John,

This has happened in the last 2 or 3 years.

I think it was part of the give and take that allowed us to wear flightsuits
anywhere. Something had to give. Just a guess as most of it never made
sense to me.

JD

(I like the one that allows black shoes to wear brown shoes because the
women complained so much that black shoes didn't go with their khakis.
(PLEASE NOTE - that reason is only rumor. What a world!)


"John Carrier" wrote in message
...
Nomex (green) jacket can only be worn on flight line. You can wear it
coming
on base, or leaving base but can only be "seen" in it on the flight line
and
the O'club. (Or entering and leaving quarters to or from the
flightline.)

That may be written down somewhere, but I never had a problem wearing the
nomex jacket ANYWHERE on base in my entire career ... going back over
thirty
years. That includes the infamous era at Miramar when Field Day Fellows
would post squadron XO's at the main gate to bust anyone wearing their
flight jacket in their car.

These days I wear one anywhere I please.

R / John

"Jake Donovan" wrote in message news:%OKjb.80113$AH4.25335@lakeread06...
Woody,

You almost got it right. Leather jackets can be worn any where in khakis or
flight suit.

Nomex (green) jacket can only be worn on flight line. You can wear it coming
on base, or leaving base but can only be "seen" in it on the flight line and
the O'club. (Or entering and leaving quarters to or from the flightline.)

There is some leeway made for transient pilots with downed aircraft.

I honestly had a black shoe Chief quote me the regs in an on base Navy
Exchange while waiting on repairs (went and had lunch). I told him "this is
what I arrived in, I wasn't sitting in 40 deg weather for hours in the
transient shack and if he would like, he could accompany me to the Base CO
and discuss it."

Backed down and said, "I guess they allow that, Capt" and walked off.

JD

Thanks for the answer JD.

And Woody, this wasn't something I was "worried" about, just something
I wondered about. I've got zero problem with a flyer wearing his G-1
off base, rules permitting or not.

Thanks,

~Michael



"Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message
...
On 10/16/03 4:38 PM, in article
, "Michael"
wrote:

What are the current regulations in regard to this? A friend of mine
in Chicago said while he was at lunch the other day he saw a Navy
officer in uniform and his G-1 at a fast food joint. He was suprised
to the see the flight jacket, because he was under the impression they
weren't allowed to be worn off base. I figure since the guy was in
uniform and the G-1 doesn't really get used in the air much anymore,
that it was fine to be wearing it.

Thanks,

~Michael

There are more important things to worry about but...

My understanding of the current regulations is:

Leather jackets may be worn either with khakis or with a flight suit on or
off base.

The green flight jacket may be worn only with the flight suit or with the
"working khakis" and then only on base.

Of course, I don't get spun up about it since I believe that pilots should
dress like pilots and a flight suit in town (jacket or no) expresses a
positive image to the public.

--Woody

On 10/17/03 8:36 AM, in article
, "Michael"
wrote:


Thanks for the answer JD.

And Woody, this wasn't something I was "worried" about, just something
I wondered about. I've got zero problem with a flyer wearing his G-1
off base, rules permitting or not.

Thanks,

~Michael

"Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message
...
On 10/16/03 4:38 PM, in article
, "Michael"
wrote:

What are the current regulations in regard to this? A friend of mine
in Chicago said while he was at lunch the other day he saw a Navy
officer in uniform and his G-1 at a fast food joint. He was suprised
to the see the flight jacket, because he was under the impression they
weren't allowed to be worn off base. I figure since the guy was in
uniform and the G-1 doesn't really get used in the air much anymore,
that it was fine to be wearing it.

Thanks,

~Michael

There are more important things to worry about but...

My understanding of the current regulations is:

Leather jackets may be worn either with khakis or with a flight suit on or
off base.

The green flight jacket may be worn only with the flight suit or with the
"working khakis" and then only on base.

Of course, I don't get spun up about it since I believe that pilots should
dress like pilots and a flight suit in town (jacket or no) expresses a
positive image to the public.

--Woody


The "worried about" comment wasn't meant to be pointed directly at you,
Michael. In 17 years of doing this stuff, I'm a bit frustrated at the folks
who *do* make a big deal of it (for various reasons). I can understand your
curiosity factor... Which is why I made the attempt at answering the
question instead of ending the post after the top line.

But since my nerve has been inadvertently touched, allow me a small rant...

The black shoe Navy (and some senior Flag aviators who have forgotten what
it was like to be a JO) have gone a two different ways with flight clothing.

(a) In the past, hold the aviators down by banning them from wearing the
flight suit/jackets anywhere off base. Mighty frustrating having to change
out of the flight suit to get gas while USAF dudes were having lunch at
Burger King in theirs... Thank goodness those days are over.

(b) Currently, they have proliferated it and made it something less
"special" or unique to aviation. Not that I wear khakis very often, but
when I do, I am proud to be a "brown shoe." Nowadays, the black shoes have
the option of wearing brown shoes too (though honestly most don't for the
same reason I don't wear the black ones) BUT many of them opt for the green
Nomex flight jacket (which used to be an "aviators only item) instead of the
(standard) khaki jacket.

It's all part of the blending and melding that's so prevalent in the
military today. Rant over. I feel better.

--Woody

Interesting contrast at Fallon and at Andrews AFB:

At Fallon, where there is barely a shoe to be found, bags off-base are a
big no-no. At Andrews, where you would think you might find a few more
regulation-quoters (albeit USAF ones), no problem. The Andrews
situation is explained by a) a different Service culture and b) the
realization that seeing guys in organizational clothing in and around
the area is *good* for PR. Don't know if it's consistent across the
USAF though.

-Jim C.

Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal wrote:

On 10/17/03 8:36 AM, in article
, "Michael"
wrote:


Thanks for the answer JD.

And Woody, this wasn't something I was "worried" about, just something
I wondered about. I've got zero problem with a flyer wearing his G-1
off base, rules permitting or not.

Thanks,

~Michael

"Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message
...
On 10/16/03 4:38 PM, in article
, "Michael"
wrote:

What are the current regulations in regard to this? A friend of mine
in Chicago said while he was at lunch the other day he saw a Navy
officer in uniform and his G-1 at a fast food joint. He was suprised
to the see the flight jacket, because he was under the impression they
weren't allowed to be worn off base. I figure since the guy was in
uniform and the G-1 doesn't really get used in the air much anymore,
that it was fine to be wearing it.

Thanks,

~Michael

There are more important things to worry about but...

My understanding of the current regulations is:

Leather jackets may be worn either with khakis or with a flight suit on or
off base.

The green flight jacket may be worn only with the flight suit or with the
"working khakis" and then only on base.

Of course, I don't get spun up about it since I believe that pilots should
dress like pilots and a flight suit in town (jacket or no) expresses a
positive image to the public.

--Woody


The "worried about" comment wasn't meant to be pointed directly at you,
Michael. In 17 years of doing this stuff, I'm a bit frustrated at the folks
who *do* make a big deal of it (for various reasons). I can understand your
curiosity factor... Which is why I made the attempt at answering the
question instead of ending the post after the top line.

But since my nerve has been inadvertently touched, allow me a small rant...

The black shoe Navy (and some senior Flag aviators who have forgotten what
it was like to be a JO) have gone a two different ways with flight clothing.

(a) In the past, hold the aviators down by banning them from wearing the
flight suit/jackets anywhere off base. Mighty frustrating having to change
out of the flight suit to get gas while USAF dudes were having lunch at
Burger King in theirs... Thank goodness those days are over.

(b) Currently, they have proliferated it and made it something less
"special" or unique to aviation. Not that I wear khakis very often, but
when I do, I am proud to be a "brown shoe." Nowadays, the black shoes have
the option of wearing brown shoes too (though honestly most don't for the
same reason I don't wear the black ones) BUT many of them opt for the green
Nomex flight jacket (which used to be an "aviators only item) instead of the
(standard) khaki jacket.

It's all part of the blending and melding that's so prevalent in the
military today. Rant over. I feel better.

--Woody

On 10/18/03 10:03 AM, in article , "Jim Calpin"
wrote:

Interesting contrast at Fallon and at Andrews AFB:

At Fallon, where there is barely a shoe to be found, bags off-base are a
big no-no. At Andrews, where you would think you might find a few more
regulation-quoters (albeit USAF ones), no problem. The Andrews
situation is explained by a) a different Service culture and b) the
realization that seeing guys in organizational clothing in and around
the area is *good* for PR. Don't know if it's consistent across the
USAF though.

-Jim C.


Jim,

That's because the Commander at NSAWC is a post-CARGRU Admiral. Those guys
drink too much salt-peter and black-shoe Kool-Aid laced water that has been
distilled by nuclear reactors.

In other words, they've forgotten what it's like to be a J.O.

Me, on the other hand, I left active duty as a junior O-4, so the J.O.
mindset is still fresh in my mind.

If it doesn't hurt the command, and it's a good deal for the J.O.'s... let
'em do it.

Funny how those inconsistencies STILL exist, isn't it?

--Woody

At Fallon, where there is barely a shoe to be found, bags off-base are a
big no-no.

In the 80's. Bags were allowed off base at the Eagle bar. I guess the CO at
Fallon was a bit more enlightened. I think it was pushed by the Strike U folks
but when on det there it was nice to at least be able to go to one bar in town
to drink fire water. We played a lot of Pattsy Cline on the Juke Box.

"Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ...
The "worried about" comment wasn't meant to be pointed directly at you,
Michael. In 17 years of doing this stuff, I'm a bit frustrated at the folks
who *do* make a big deal of it (for various reasons). I can understand your
curiosity factor... Which is why I made the attempt at answering the
question instead of ending the post after the top line.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't sure if you felt I was one
of the uptight people that worried about stuff like that.

But since my nerve has been inadvertently touched, allow me a small rant...

The black shoe Navy (and some senior Flag aviators who have forgotten what
it was like to be a JO) have gone a two different ways with flight clothing.

(a) In the past, hold the aviators down by banning them from wearing the
flight suit/jackets anywhere off base. Mighty frustrating having to change
out of the flight suit to get gas while USAF dudes were having lunch at
Burger King in theirs... Thank goodness those days are over.

(b) Currently, they have proliferated it and made it something less
"special" or unique to aviation. Not that I wear khakis very often, but
when I do, I am proud to be a "brown shoe." Nowadays, the black shoes have
the option of wearing brown shoes too (though honestly most don't for the
same reason I don't wear the black ones)

Why are they given the option of wearing brown shoes now?!

BUT many of them opt for the green Nomex flight jacket (which used to
be an "aviators only item) instead of the (standard) khaki jacket.

Hmm, that's no good. The Nomex should remain an aviator only garment.

~Michael

Michael wrote:

"Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ...
The "worried about" comment wasn't meant to be pointed directly at you,
Michael. In 17 years of doing this stuff, I'm a bit frustrated at the folks
who *do* make a big deal of it (for various reasons). I can understand your
curiosity factor... Which is why I made the attempt at answering the
question instead of ending the post after the top line.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't sure if you felt I was one
of the uptight people that worried about stuff like that.

But since my nerve has been inadvertently touched, allow me a small rant...

The black shoe Navy (and some senior Flag aviators who have forgotten what
it was like to be a JO) have gone a two different ways with flight clothing.

(a) In the past, hold the aviators down by banning them from wearing the
flight suit/jackets anywhere off base. Mighty frustrating having to change
out of the flight suit to get gas while USAF dudes were having lunch at
Burger King in theirs... Thank goodness those days are over.

(b) Currently, they have proliferated it and made it something less
"special" or unique to aviation. Not that I wear khakis very often, but
when I do, I am proud to be a "brown shoe." Nowadays, the black shoes have
the option of wearing brown shoes too (though honestly most don't for the
same reason I don't wear the black ones)

Why are they given the option of wearing brown shoes now?!

BUT many of them opt for the green Nomex flight jacket (which used to
be an "aviators only item) instead of the (standard) khaki jacket.

Hmm, that's no good. The Nomex should remain an aviator only garment.

~Michael

On my Tin Can, which was new construction, we had a full complement of nice new foul weather gear. In addition to the
regular green cloth jackets, we had a number of "Extreme foul weather" coats. These were some kind of shiny synthetic, well
padded and insulated, and had a cool looking rib running down the outside of each sleeve.

Naturally , these were much coveted and a command decision was made to issue them to officers and chiefs only. This
directive was modified down in the gear locker to be: officers, chiefs, and SK (Storekeeper) petty officers.

As you would expect, this created an immediate uproar and the original unmodified policy was quickly forced, enforced and
reinforced. The SK's hadn't really expected to get away with it anyway.

I don't think the flight gear battles are a whole lot different.

Bob McKellar, former Tin Can Pork Chop