Are these USS Kitty Hawk uniforms worth buying off eBay?

Having said that, HM1 X could have been "entirely competent" at that
level, but still "lacking critical leadership skills necessary to
advance to Chief Petty Officer".
Well put Dave. I agree. Or maybe it was something beyond his control.

I had LPO's working for me that were more than ready for Chief, but were
"victims of the rate". Just not enough billets to promote them all. All I
could tell them was "hang in there, keep up the great job and your time will
come".


Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
Disabled Combat Veteran
USN Retired

20 years of Navy in my rear view mirror
and getting further away every day ;-)



"Dave in San Diego" wrote in message
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Four idiot stripes and still an E-6. How many watches did you fall
asleep on?

--Mike


Begging your pardon, SIR...

A sixteen year corpsman in today's Navy is not unusual, as it wasn't when
I retired some years ago. Not everyone can make Chief, and in the current
competitive environment, it's not what you know, it's who gets the best
suck-up points. When the eval system becomes objective, and the brass who
write and approve them become competent, then maybe the promotion system
will work like it's supposed to.

Having said that, HM1 X could have been "entirely competent" at that
level, but still "lacking critical leadership skills mnecessary to
advance to Chief Petty Officer".

Not all you folks make Captain; not all of us make Chief.

Dave Bowles
AT1 USN Ret
quoted from my own evals
--
-
"For once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward;
For there you have been, and there you long to return."
Leonardo da Vinci

"victims of the rate". Just not enough billets to promote them all. All I
could tell them was "hang in there, keep up the great job and your time will
come".


Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
Disabled Combat Veteran
USN Retired


"Victims of rate", this is or was the case with AT's, I encountered this going
from E-3 to E-4, then again from E-4 to E-5. As a four year guy, I started out
life as an AR, graduated from A school as a ATAA, mean while the 6 year guys
were graduating as AT3's.
Then after doing my TIR, and finally making AT3, I once again encountered the
"victim of rate" the AT3's (rent-a-crows) were graduating from AFTA (advanced
first term avionics school) or AFTA-births as we called them, getting ready to
take AT2, while I was installing tracking gear on rotor blades, paralleling
generators, changing the "greenhouse" window after the Q/A chief stepped
through it, etc, etc.
But I really can't complain, I did my 4, and got out, and thanks to my
"nothing but a black box puller" "O" level career, spent the past 16 years
doing it on the civilian side for a much better pay and no sea duty.
So being a "victim of rate" work out great for me.
So I can see how in some rates it would not be uncommon for a hard charg'in,
4.0 sailor to retire an E-6.

J

BTW, as for those who say, the numbers are figured out before hand, and the
Navy takes only so many AFTA guys and regular guys its BS. I like many others
who make there required time to graduate, we were ask if we were to extend for
2 years, you can walk out of school as a E-4 instead of an E-2. Fortunitly for
me 1989 sounded like forever in 1983, I passed, many other did'nt.

So I can see how in some rates it would not be uncommon for a hard
charg'in,
4.0 sailor to retire an E-6.
I remember the AZ's and AME's had it pretty tough (due to very limited
number of billets to advance into).

Larry




"Longtailedlizard" wrote in message
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"victims of the rate". Just not enough billets to promote them all. All I
could tell them was "hang in there, keep up the great job and your time
will
come".


Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
Disabled Combat Veteran
USN Retired


"Victims of rate", this is or was the case with AT's, I encountered this
going
from E-3 to E-4, then again from E-4 to E-5. As a four year guy, I started
out
life as an AR, graduated from A school as a ATAA, mean while the 6 year
guys
were graduating as AT3's.
Then after doing my TIR, and finally making AT3, I once again
encountered the
"victim of rate" the AT3's (rent-a-crows) were graduating from AFTA
(advanced
first term avionics school) or AFTA-births as we called them, getting
ready to
take AT2, while I was installing tracking gear on rotor blades,
paralleling
generators, changing the "greenhouse" window after the Q/A chief stepped
through it, etc, etc.
But I really can't complain, I did my 4, and got out, and thanks to my
"nothing but a black box puller" "O" level career, spent the past 16 years
doing it on the civilian side for a much better pay and no sea duty.
So being a "victim of rate" work out great for me.
So I can see how in some rates it would not be uncommon for a hard
charg'in,
4.0 sailor to retire an E-6.

J

BTW, as for those who say, the numbers are figured out before hand, and
the
Navy takes only so many AFTA guys and regular guys its BS. I like many
others
who make there required time to graduate, we were ask if we were to extend
for
2 years, you can walk out of school as a E-4 instead of an E-2. Fortunitly
for
me 1989 sounded like forever in 1983, I passed, many other did'nt.