Aw ****s and Bravo Zulus

On 12/3/03 9:14 AM, in article ,
"Pechs1" wrote:

Donny Sogga, cleared for an impromtu 'air show/fly-by' at a Italian AirForce
field...Was cleared by the tower, found the field and commenced to beat up the
field, AB passes, hi g turns, low passes, lots of noise and such...Then asked
how the tower liked it and the tower said, 'not in sight, continue'..wrong
airfield...

And then, ask about my gear up touch and go in a T-2, or going nose to nose
with a civilian 737.....at Norfolk, or....


P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Gear up T&G in a T-2? How'd that work out for you?

--Woody

And then, ask about my gear up touch and go in a T-2, ...

P. C. Chisholm

Gear up T&G in a T-2? How'd that work out for you?

Yeah, I'd especially like to hear about the "go" part.

vince norris

Doug- Gear up T&G in a T-2? How'd that work out for you? BRBR

Got my attention, really loud, skipping off the runway..I was in the trunk as a
'IP' teaching another JO the T-2(in VF-126). One thing ya do is pull an engine
to idle in the landing pattern, 'student' needs to pull gear up and go 1/2
flaps..be safely sirborne, downwind, then gear back down and a single engine
approach...He reported gear down, speedbrakes in, i looked down and thought,
yep, they are down cuz they say 'up', up' 'up'....was class C, really just
broke the underbelly anti-smash light, The metal benders took off the belly
pans, pounded them out...didn't even get a new call sign outta it.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Pechs1 wrote:
Doug- Gear up T&G in a T-2? How'd that work out for you? BRBR

Got my attention, really loud, skipping off the runway..I was in the trunk as a
'IP' teaching another JO the T-2(in VF-126).

Anybody else remember the post-night-form-midair-fluster-induced gear up
night landing in the A-4 by a stud? I still have the Approach article.

On 12/4/03 9:21 AM, in article , "nafod40"
wrote:

Pechs1 wrote:
Doug- Gear up T&G in a T-2? How'd that work out for you? BRBR

Got my attention, really loud, skipping off the runway..I was in the trunk as
a
'IP' teaching another JO the T-2(in VF-126).

Anybody else remember the post-night-form-midair-fluster-induced gear up
night landing in the A-4 by a stud? I still have the Approach article.



I don't remember that one. Perhaps I should, but I don't. Feel free to
refresh my memory.

Speaking of bouncing gear up jets off of runways: I did know a guy who
punched out of an RF-8 in Da Nang (I think it was Da Nang) resulting from a
"fluster induced" premature gear retract.

He was a JG at the time. He was in a hurry to join two LCDR's flying
Scooters. They were taking a cross country in the middle of the deployment
to Cubi. (What a concept!) There was a low overcast.

The A-4 jocks planned a section go, promising to stay beneath the scud until
he was aboard, and then punch up through as a flight.

They took off and immediately disappeared into the clag. He (wondering what
to do next) reverted to his old habit patterns and through the gear up as
soon as the jet felt light. (Keep in mind this was his first field take off
in several months, so he was operating off of shipboard habit
pattern--frustrated, brain stem only at this point).

The jet didn't have flying speed, settled onto the runway, bounced, fodded
the motor, started coughing and chugging and shutting itself down, so he
punched out. It careened back into the runway leaving a big mess.

They did the FNAEB on him 2 days later and put him right back on the flight
schedule.

--Woody

Jumping in with my dad's aw ****s.

1) Hard wheels up in an A-3 at Whidbey. Tower had visual and didn't
question the missing landing light. This was a touch-and-go and crew was
lucky to walk away without broken backs. I posted the pic on the
Skywarrior website.


2) A-3 Cockpit flooded with av fuel in flight - hundreds of gallons. Crew
was almost overwhelmed and blinded by fumes. afraid to bail out due to the
chutes being soaked with fuel, afraid to key a mic and go down in flames.


Somebody jump in with some details on a stunt that caused a few aw ****s.
I recall my father describing that in order to really have a **** hot
take-off, it was possible in an F-8 or F-4 to select gear up on the take-off
roll. A weight-on-wheels sensor would prevent the retraction until
airborne. One or more planes were turned into sleds when a change in grade
took the weight off the wheels prior to rotation.

Any details on this?

A weight-on-wheels sensor would prevent the retraction until
airborne.
Yes, but hit a slight hump in the runway (while on rollout) can extend the
gear just that couple inches it takes to make the "weight on wheels" switch.
Then it's "AW ****" time again.

Many aircraft have a MLG designed to be slightly "over center" with some
weight on the gear. This design *helps* prevent gear retraction on deck. I
know- we've all read the safety messages detailing how somebody had a
"stupid attack" and raised the gear while on deck. And I think some of you
folks here are the ones we read about :-)

Sure looks cool to see the gear come up as soon as the aircraft lifts.
Especially the way the Air Force guys like to take off- Fast, and real low
for (it seems) the length of the runway. And they got some real LONG
runways. The Navy pilots make up for that as they have the SHORTEST runways
(you know- the ugly gray ones that keep us away from home for so long).

Kinda longwinded here. Too much coffee this afternoon.

Larry
AECS (AW/SW/MTS)
Disabled Combat Veteran
USN Retired

20 years of Navy in my rear view mirror
and getting further away every day ;-)





"C.D.Damron" wrote in message
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Jumping in with my dad's aw ****s.

1) Hard wheels up in an A-3 at Whidbey. Tower had visual and didn't
question the missing landing light. This was a touch-and-go and crew was
lucky to walk away without broken backs. I posted the pic on the
Skywarrior website.


2) A-3 Cockpit flooded with av fuel in flight - hundreds of gallons.
Crew
was almost overwhelmed and blinded by fumes. afraid to bail out due to the
chutes being soaked with fuel, afraid to key a mic and go down in flames.


Somebody jump in with some details on a stunt that caused a few aw ****s.
I recall my father describing that in order to really have a **** hot
take-off, it was possible in an F-8 or F-4 to select gear up on the
take-off
roll. A weight-on-wheels sensor would prevent the retraction until
airborne. One or more planes were turned into sleds when a change in
grade
took the weight off the wheels prior to rotation.

Any details on this?