Once again-Threshold, The Blue Angels Experience

I have an original Beta version......... but no beta viewer. I'd sure
like to have a DVD if anyone runs across one. JD


"Pechs1" wrote in message
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Once again, anybody know of a place I can get it-VHS or DVD??

TIA
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Let's see.. "Phantom", (BOTH VERSIONS!), I recognise, Buckeye I recogise, (BUT
COMBAT? The Buckeye is a Navy TRAINER, isn't it?), but what types of pahane
are/were the "Turkey", "Viper" and "Scooter"?
..

(DBurch7672) wrote:

Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Let's see.. "Phantom", (BOTH VERSIONS!), I recognise, Buckeye I recogise, (BUT
COMBAT? The Buckeye is a Navy TRAINER, isn't it?), but what types of pahane
are/were the "Turkey", "Viper" and "Scooter"?

If you recognize two versions of the Phantom, how is it that you don't
recognize the contemporary of one of them, Heinemann's Hot Rod, AKA
Scooter, AKA [and nee] the A4D, later renomenclatured into the A-4?

I'll leave the Turkey and Viper to others. *BUT*. I sincerely hope
you have a broadband connection. You'll need it to download The Saga
of the Combat Buckeye. ;-

[TINS. There I was at 20,000 feet flat on my back, and ...]
--
OJ III
[Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading.
Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast]

On 08 Jan 2004 22:47:58 GMT, (DBurch7672) wrote:

Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Let's see.. "Phantom", (BOTH VERSIONS!), I recognise, Buckeye I recogise, (BUT
COMBAT? The Buckeye is a Navy TRAINER, isn't it?), but what types of pahane
are/were the "Turkey", "Viper" and "Scooter"?
.
Anyone who had flown military trainers will understand the "combat
Buckeye" metaphor. Quite often keeping body and soul together in the
training environment is more difficult than when the enemy is more
clearly defined.

As for Turkey, that's an F-14 Tomcat. Viper, we should recognize as
F-16 (in Navy livery in Top Gun) and Scooter, would be an A-4.

Even a AF coot like moi can see that stuff.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Ed.

You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF
used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform.

We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM
platforms.

Jake

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
...
On 08 Jan 2004 22:47:58 GMT, (DBurch7672) wrote:

Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

Let's see.. "Phantom", (BOTH VERSIONS!), I recognise, Buckeye I recogise,
(BUT
COMBAT? The Buckeye is a Navy TRAINER, isn't it?), but what types of
pahane
are/were the "Turkey", "Viper" and "Scooter"?
.
Anyone who had flown military trainers will understand the "combat
Buckeye" metaphor. Quite often keeping body and soul together in the
training environment is more difficult than when the enemy is more
clearly defined.

As for Turkey, that's an F-14 Tomcat. Viper, we should recognize as
F-16 (in Navy livery in Top Gun) and Scooter, would be an A-4.

Even a AF coot like moi can see that stuff.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:46:29 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

Ed.

You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF
used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform.

We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM
platforms.

The USN TPS T-2s, with instructor pilots and crews, make the trek out
to the USAF TPS twice a year to teach the spin syllabus there, too. I
think that the USAF TPS used to use the A-37s for the spin syllabus
before the USN TPS started coming out, but I'm not sure; I know we,
Dryden, spun the T-37, mostly for .practice.

When I was down at TPS running around on the ramp for my flight in the
VISTA F-16, the T-2s were there for this spin training and, in an
amazing coincidence, one of the instructors was one of the few pilots
I knew at Pax, Ricardo. We had a nice visit and I got to look inside
the T-2 after we couldn't start the VISTA FCS because its battery was
dead. The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16
cockpit on fire a day or two later, though.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16 cockpit on fire a
day or two later, though.

A story we'd like you to share with us if you could.

--
Mike Kanze

"Sit by the homely girl, you'll look better by comparison."

- Debra Maffett, Miss America 1983


"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:46:29 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

Ed.

You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF
used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform.

We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM
platforms.

The USN TPS T-2s, with instructor pilots and crews, make the trek out
to the USAF TPS twice a year to teach the spin syllabus there, too. I
think that the USAF TPS used to use the A-37s for the spin syllabus
before the USN TPS started coming out, but I'm not sure; I know we,
Dryden, spun the T-37, mostly for .practice.

When I was down at TPS running around on the ramp for my flight in the
VISTA F-16, the T-2s were there for this spin training and, in an
amazing coincidence, one of the instructors was one of the few pilots
I knew at Pax, Ricardo. We had a nice visit and I got to look inside
the T-2 after we couldn't start the VISTA FCS because its battery was
dead. The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16
cockpit on fire a day or two later, though.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

I wonder how a Tweet would do in "combat" with a Buckeye? Anyone ever see
these two go mano a mano?

Advantage Buckeye - it at least has a hook it can use for close quarter combat.

v/r
Gordon
PS, I am aware of the combat records of A-37s, but I mean the trainers

Happy New Year Mary!

I was in and out of Edwards so fast that I never got time to give you a
ring.

I almost misread your comment bout A37's. I am either getting lazy eye or
just old. I thought it said T-37s. Yikes!

Did you run into Gallager at TPS? He use to get a real hard time from
students when they found out who his bother was.

Warmest Regards!
Jake

"Mary Shafer" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:46:29 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

Ed.

You are right on and if you want to get even more accurate, the Greek AF
used (still may) the T-2 as an attack platform.

We used TPS T-2s for Spin and once in awhile to let off some steam, ACM
platforms.

The USN TPS T-2s, with instructor pilots and crews, make the trek out
to the USAF TPS twice a year to teach the spin syllabus there, too. I
think that the USAF TPS used to use the A-37s for the spin syllabus
before the USN TPS started coming out, but I'm not sure; I know we,
Dryden, spun the T-37, mostly for .practice.

When I was down at TPS running around on the ramp for my flight in the
VISTA F-16, the T-2s were there for this spin training and, in an
amazing coincidence, one of the instructors was one of the few pilots
I knew at Pax, Ricardo. We had a nice visit and I got to look inside
the T-2 after we couldn't start the VISTA FCS because its battery was
dead. The T-2 guys weren't around when I tried to set the F-16
cockpit on fire a day or two later, though.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:28:54 -0600, "Jake Donovan"
wrote:

I was in and out of Edwards so fast that I never got time to give you a
ring.

I figured as much. You should have been coming down here to Palm
Desert, though. It was so cold in Lancaster at Christmas that we came
back a day early just to warm up. Not that there's much action here
except for the Blues at El Centro, though.

We're under the departure path for Bermuda Dunes and there's a
bugsmasher droning overhear right now. We've got the windows open,
it's so nice. I think it's going to be in the low 80s, with a very
slight breeze. Perfectly clear and good flying weather, I suppose.
When I hear them overhead in the summer I start thinking about density
altitude. Those 118-degF days kind of lift the airport up from sea
level.

I almost misread your comment bout A37's. I am either getting lazy eye or
just old. I thought it said T-37s. Yikes!

We had a T-37 at Dryden (I wrote my first paper about it, in fact) and
I thought for years that so did AFFTC. It must have taken me two or
three years to discover that their pretty white A-37s weren't Tweety
Birds.

Our Tweet was spun in, in about 1983, I think. I saw the crash site
photos and the wreckage was just classic, really characteristic of an
airplane that came down flat, in planform.

Did you run into Gallager at TPS? He use to get a real hard time from
students when they found out who his bother was.

I've met him and we've chatted a few times. His brother joined him at
the Friday luncheon one year and all the rest of us got to listen to
everyone in the area laughing continuously. His brother didn't bring
a watermelon or anything, though.

Going to SETP can be kind of discouraging when I see all these pilots
and FTEs that I met as captains or lieutenants when they were students
at the TPSs wearing eagles and stars. Then a couple years later and
they're all with contractors or airlines, it seems. Time keeps
marching on, I guess.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer