New Queer? for the fleet, EF-18G

Old news; already built and flying. Looking for a job?

https://www.nalda.navy.mil/intern/Air31/EA18G.doc

Rick

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"J" wrote in message
r.com...
Boeing won a $1 billion contract yesterday (12/29/03) to develop an
electronic attack version of the Super Hornet called the EA-18G. (from
Washington Post)






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On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:31:01 -0800, "Yofuri" wrote:

Old news; already built and flying. Looking for a job?

EF-18G built and flying? According to who? The Navy apparently doesn't think
so, or they wouldn't have awarded a large contract to develop the aircraft.

F/A-18E/F is "built and flying". EF-18G has been under discussion and
preliminary development for some time, so the contract is no surprise.

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wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:31:01 -0800, "Yofuri" wrote:

Old news; already built and flying. Looking for a job?

EF-18G built and flying? According to who? The Navy apparently doesn't think
so, or they wouldn't have awarded a large contract to develop the aircraft.

F/A-18E/F is "built and flying". EF-18G has been under discussion and
preliminary development for some time, so the contract is no surprise.

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The F airframe has been fitted and flown with the the ALQ-99 pods which
will used as exiting as GFE or Government Furnished Equipment for the
project. The ESM pods on the wingtips have been flown and have gone
through extensive integration work. The simulator and avionics
integration work has been going on for at least 7 years as I flew the
sim in St Louis back in the 96 timeframe. It's evolved nicely and I
flew the more recent verion on a roadshow at Andrews last year. All in
all Boeing/Mcair as put a lot of their own money into this project
over the last little bit knowing the Navy would figure out the Prowler
was going to die much quicker than the projected. I would regard the
technology as low risk, the question will be more who gives up a slot
for E/F production if the Navy decides they want the airframes sooner
than 09.
The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and
whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and
steelhead fishing) ;^

Pugs

The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and
whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and
steelhead fishing) ;^


Ah I remember it well. The VAQ-35 Ops Rod and Gun club. The wind would be
howling snow flurries coming down at an 85 degree angle. These knuckel heads
would show up at work. Get the 75 minutes of work that they would spend all day
doing done in about 60 minutes. And then ask if they could go out and lay in a
freshly harvested corn field and wait for a duck to fly over.....
At least the squadron picknic later that month was interesting when the
bachelors would show up with a meat dish. The Wives Club girls from the big
city would be scarfing down huge quanities of duck or some other animal of the
wild until they learned the truth. I though one or two was going to puke on the
spot.

Back to the subject... What happens to the fly by wire jet when the master bad
is turned on? Can you say EMI?

Shucks, I had forgotten we had snow here at Whidbey. Today is the first
snowfall in six years, and it's melting tonight.

No big EMI problem. The isolated power systems for the main bangers largely
keep it away from the aircraft's internal circuitry. The RATS eat the EMI,
in other words. I'm sure the gold-plated canopy will still be required,
though.

Rick

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"Elmshoot" wrote in message
...
The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and
whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and
steelhead fishing) ;^


Ah I remember it well. The VAQ-35 Ops Rod and Gun club. The wind would be
howling snow flurries coming down at an 85 degree angle. These knuckel
heads
would show up at work. Get the 75 minutes of work that they would spend
all day
doing done in about 60 minutes. And then ask if they could go out and lay
in a
freshly harvested corn field and wait for a duck to fly over.....
At least the squadron picknic later that month was interesting when the
bachelors would show up with a meat dish. The Wives Club girls from the
big
city would be scarfing down huge quanities of duck or some other animal of
the
wild until they learned the truth. I though one or two was going to puke
on the
spot.

Back to the subject... What happens to the fly by wire jet when the master
bad
is turned on? Can you say EMI?




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First snowfall in 6 years???

It must have been a dream, the 3-4 inches (some places in Island
County got 6) of the white stuff that closed the base (except for
non-essentials) for 2 days in December 2001. Not nitpicking
Yofuri,,,but maybe you were deployed?

The Gold Plated Canopy required? for what? So the crew would feel
protected??? LOL, it sure never was "required" when it had delaminated
and there were no replacements back in 1999-2001!!! And the only way
you could get a replacement is if the delamination affected the pilots
vision, "safety of flight". (and/or if a Geekmos helmet had banged
away a Iarge percentage) I heard Jacksonville remedied this awful
situation and got more funding to start RFI'ng canopies about the end
of 2001. Then the first batches they put out were defective, but it
finally was fixed.

Yofuri, these comments may seem negative, sure hope you don't take
them that way, my perspective thats all, Happy New Year!!!


On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:19:19 -0800, "Yofuri"
wrote:

Shucks, I had forgotten we had snow here at Whidbey. Today is the first
snowfall in six years, and it's melting tonight.

No big EMI problem. The isolated power systems for the main bangers largely
keep it away from the aircraft's internal circuitry. The RATS eat the EMI,
in other words. I'm sure the gold-plated canopy will still be required,
though.

Rick

ummmm yeah we can say EMI, and nothing will happen to the flight
controls when you jam. What, did VAQ-35 have experimental jammers that
jammed in the 60-400hz range? Remember? Jamming in the bandwidths and
freqs we jam in has nothing to do with onboard avionics and flight
control systems, otherwise every A/C in a current strike package would
be affected? Plus, extensive lab and flight testing is done before we
field a system,,,,,what exactly are you getting at elmshoot? Also,
without going into detail, you are forgetting that there is such a
thing as directional jamming? OBTW, glad you are perpetuating the myth
of Whidbey, I'll continue it,,,THE WEATHER THERE IS NASTY AND IT RAINS
300 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR!!! So stay away, do your best to NOT get
stationed there!!

On 31 Dec 2003 05:20:23 GMT, (Elmshoot) wrote:

The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and
whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and
steelhead fishing) ;^


Ah I remember it well. The VAQ-35 Ops Rod and Gun club. The wind would be
howling snow flurries coming down at an 85 degree angle. These knuckel heads
would show up at work. Get the 75 minutes of work that they would spend all day
doing done in about 60 minutes. And then ask if they could go out and lay in a
freshly harvested corn field and wait for a duck to fly over.....
At least the squadron picknic later that month was interesting when the
bachelors would show up with a meat dish. The Wives Club girls from the big
city would be scarfing down huge quanities of duck or some other animal of the
wild until they learned the truth. I though one or two was going to puke on the
spot.

Back to the subject... What happens to the fly by wire jet when the master bad
is turned on? Can you say EMI?

OBTW, glad you are perpetuating the myth of Whidbey, I'll continue it,,,THE
WEATHER THERE IS NASTY AND IT RAINS 300 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR!!! So stay
away, do your best to NOT get stationed there!!

And then there's Rock Fever - a fatal disease. g

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combustion engine, and, like gasoline, has noxious properties that must be
monitored."

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Rick,
ummmm yeah we can say EMI, and nothing will happen to the flight
controls when you jam. What, did VAQ-35 have experimental jammers that
jammed in the 60-400hz range?

I will admitt that 35 had some interesting developmental pods. That might have
operated in that range. I will refrain from any further technical discussion
since I think we might be in a beadwindow situation or as Pugs might say he
doesn't know what he is talking about, either way enuf said.


Remember? Jamming in the bandwidths and
freqs we jam in has nothing to do with onboard avionics and flight
control systems, otherwise every A/C in a current strike package would
be affected?
Yes we used to fly in packages and set off other planes equipment.

Plus, extensive lab and flight testing is done before we
field a system,,,,,what exactly are you getting at elmshoot?

Do you remember when the USAF had some F-16's fly into the ground while in the
close proximity to high power radio antennas. They aren't called lawn darts for
nothing.

Also,
without going into detail, you are forgetting that there is such a
thing as directional jamming?

Yes, my point still stands

OBTW, glad you are perpetuating the myth
of Whidbey, I'll continue it,,,THE WEATHER THERE IS NASTY AND IT RAINS
300 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR!!! So stay away, do your best to NOT get
stationed there!!

Whidbey has a very mild climate much nicer winters than in the midwest were I
live now.

On 31 Dec 2003 05:20:23 GMT, (Elmshoot) wrote:

The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and
whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and
steelhead fishing) ;^


Ah I remember it well. The VAQ-35 Ops Rod and Gun club. The wind would be
howling snow flurries coming down at an 85 degree angle. These knuckel heads
would show up at work. Get the 75 minutes of work that they would spend all
day
doing done in about 60 minutes. And then ask if they could go out and lay
in a
freshly harvested corn field and wait for a duck to fly over.....
At least the squadron picknic later that month was interesting when the
bachelors would show up with a meat dish. The Wives Club girls from the big
city would be scarfing down huge quanities of duck or some other animal of
the
wild until they learned the truth. I though one or two was going to puke on
the
spot.

Back to the subject... What happens to the fly by wire jet when the master
bad
is turned on? Can you say EMI?

Talk about beadwindow! The mild climate is one of the best kept
secrets about Whidbey!!! Shhhhhh!!!

On 31 Dec 2003 16:53:51 GMT, (Elmshoot) wrote:

Rick,
ummmm yeah we can say EMI, and nothing will happen to the flight
controls when you jam. What, did VAQ-35 have experimental jammers that
jammed in the 60-400hz range?

I will admitt that 35 had some interesting developmental pods. That might have
operated in that range. I will refrain from any further technical discussion
since I think we might be in a beadwindow situation or as Pugs might say he
doesn't know what he is talking about, either way enuf said.


Remember? Jamming in the bandwidths and
freqs we jam in has nothing to do with onboard avionics and flight
control systems, otherwise every A/C in a current strike package would
be affected?
Yes we used to fly in packages and set off other planes equipment.

Plus, extensive lab and flight testing is done before we
field a system,,,,,what exactly are you getting at elmshoot?

Do you remember when the USAF had some F-16's fly into the ground while in the
close proximity to high power radio antennas. They aren't called lawn darts for
nothing.

Also,
without going into detail, you are forgetting that there is such a
thing as directional jamming?

Yes, my point still stands

OBTW, glad you are perpetuating the myth
of Whidbey, I'll continue it,,,THE WEATHER THERE IS NASTY AND IT RAINS
300 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR!!! So stay away, do your best to NOT get
stationed there!!

Whidbey has a very mild climate much nicer winters than in the midwest were I
live now.

On 31 Dec 2003 05:20:23 GMT, (Elmshoot) wrote:

The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and
whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and
steelhead fishing) ;^


Ah I remember it well. The VAQ-35 Ops Rod and Gun club. The wind would be
howling snow flurries coming down at an 85 degree angle. These knuckel heads
would show up at work. Get the 75 minutes of work that they would spend all
day
doing done in about 60 minutes. And then ask if they could go out and lay
in a
freshly harvested corn field and wait for a duck to fly over.....
At least the squadron picknic later that month was interesting when the
bachelors would show up with a meat dish. The Wives Club girls from the big
city would be scarfing down huge quanities of duck or some other animal of
the
wild until they learned the truth. I though one or two was going to puke on
the
spot.

Back to the subject... What happens to the fly by wire jet when the master
bad
is turned on? Can you say EMI?