Why Zuni?

"Pechs1" wrote in message
I've blasted all 11(?) or so in one pod, of 2.75, on one wing, all at
once.
Really impressive, makes the A/C yaw...and they go all over the place,
particularly if ya have one where all the fins don't come out.

! ! !

The Canadian CRV-7 was termed the "Mighty Mouse", and was typically packed
into either LAU-5002's or LAU- 5003's (In the case of RNZAF A4's).

Regards

Mike
"Jim Carriere" wrote in message
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"Pechs1" wrote in message
I've blasted all 11(?) or so in one pod, of 2.75, on one wing, all at
once.
Really impressive, makes the A/C yaw...and they go all over the place,
particularly if ya have one where all the fins don't come out.

! ! !

Ed, '40 feet' was qualifying. But the pod rockets were sorry compared
to tube-launched ones out of the F86D and the F102. Rockets fired from
the Dog and Deuce could hit about as good as strafing. Our target on
Zulu-shima off Okinawa was 3 oil drums filled with sand stacked
together. The Dog could hit the fool things. Also, firing on the rag,
you could see the rockets cut a cross in it. We only fired 6 at a
time, though. Fired the Deuce on Patricia Target about 40 miles west
of Key West. It was an old WW2 destroyer beached by the Marquesas
Keys. WE went down to Homestead for the Cuban Crisis. Once down there
someone realized we needed the rocket tubes wired up - they'd clipped
the leads when we got the GAR11/AIM26A (Fat Falcon). Once that was
done, some kind soul decided they needed to be tested. So we fired
each of our 20 Deuces twice on Pat Target - what? No practice rockets
available? Okay, use ones with live warheads. Now, a 2.75 FFAR is
equivalent to a 75mm HE round - when we got through, what had looked
like the bridge of a ship was now a pile of scrap from. 20x12x2=480
rockets. (12 a sortie because the innermost 6 tubes -2 RX per tube-
were lost because of the girth of the Gar11.) Last time I saw Pattie
Target was in 1980 - it was a rusted layer of iron we had to chase
fishermen off of to bomb it with the deadly BDU33s and Mk106s. Mel
Fisher's boat marked the entry to the nuke run-in while salving the
Atocha galleon.
Walt BJ

Its been many moons since I fired a rocket (most inventories got combat
coded due to limited #s years ago), but...

....it was a Zuni pod at night, on the goggles -- ya-bleeping-hoo! When
fired in singles or small numbers, 2.75s always sounded like bottle rockets
(from the cockpit). Zunis were an entirely different animal.

A technical question for those that might know -- refresh my aging memory --
isn't the Zuni motor the same as that used on the Sidewinder...?

"Jim Carriere" wrote in message
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"Pechs1" wrote in message
I've blasted all 11(?) or so in one pod, of 2.75, on one wing, all at
once.
Really impressive, makes the A/C yaw...and they go all over the place,
particularly if ya have one where all the fins don't come out.

! ! !

"Susan VanCamp" wrote in message link.net...
Its been many moons since I fired a rocket (most inventories got combat
coded due to limited #s years ago), but...

...it was a Zuni pod at night, on the goggles -- ya-bleeping-hoo! When
fired in singles or small numbers, 2.75s always sounded like bottle rockets
(from the cockpit). Zunis were an entirely different animal.

A technical question for those that might know -- refresh my aging memory --
isn't the Zuni motor the same as that used on the Sidewinder...?

Originally, I'm pretty sure Sidewinder was designed using Zuni bodies and motors.

"Jeb Hoge" wrote in message
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"Susan VanCamp" wrote in message
link.net...
Its been many moons since I fired a rocket (most inventories got combat
coded due to limited #s years ago), but...

...it was a Zuni pod at night, on the goggles -- ya-bleeping-hoo! When
fired in singles or small numbers, 2.75s always sounded like bottle
rockets
(from the cockpit). Zunis were an entirely different animal.

A technical question for those that might know -- refresh my aging
memory --
isn't the Zuni motor the same as that used on the Sidewinder...?

Originally, I'm pretty sure Sidewinder was designed using Zuni bodies and
motors.

Nope. The Zuni burn time was very short, perhaps 1 second. SW was at least
5. I've fired both from fuselage pylons on the F-8. The Zuni approximated
a freight train speeding past your head with about 6 inches clearance.

R / John

"John Carrier" wrote...

Originally, I'm pretty sure Sidewinder was designed using Zuni bodies and
motors.

Nope. The Zuni burn time was very short, perhaps 1 second. SW was at least
5.

However, IIRC, the Zuni motor was used on the Skipper, a rocket-boosted Paveway
2 LGB...

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"John Carrier" writes:

"Jeb Hoge" wrote in message
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"Susan VanCamp" wrote in message
link.net...
Its been many moons since I fired a rocket (most inventories got combat
coded due to limited #s years ago), but...

...it was a Zuni pod at night, on the goggles -- ya-bleeping-hoo! When
fired in singles or small numbers, 2.75s always sounded like bottle
rockets
(from the cockpit). Zunis were an entirely different animal.

A technical question for those that might know -- refresh my aging
memory --
isn't the Zuni motor the same as that used on the Sidewinder...?

Originally, I'm pretty sure Sidewinder was designed using Zuni bodies and
motors.

Nope. The Zuni burn time was very short, perhaps 1 second. SW was at least
5. I've fired both from fuselage pylons on the F-8. The Zuni approximated
a freight train speeding past your head with about 6 inches clearance.

IIRC, the Mk 17 motor on an early Sidewinder burned for about 2-2 1/4
seconds. The Mk 36 in the AIM-9C and its derivatives burned for
something between 4 & 5 seconds. The Mk 36 has more impule (Total
energy), but lower thrust.


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Peter Stickney wrote:

In article ,
"John Carrier" writes:

"Jeb Hoge" wrote in message
om...
"Susan VanCamp" wrote in message
link.net...
Its been many moons since I fired a rocket (most inventories got combat
coded due to limited #s years ago), but...

...it was a Zuni pod at night, on the goggles -- ya-bleeping-hoo! When
fired in singles or small numbers, 2.75s always sounded like bottle
rockets
(from the cockpit). Zunis were an entirely different animal.

A technical question for those that might know -- refresh my aging
memory --
isn't the Zuni motor the same as that used on the Sidewinder...?

Originally, I'm pretty sure Sidewinder was designed using Zuni bodies and
motors.

Nope. The Zuni burn time was very short, perhaps 1 second. SW was at least
5. I've fired both from fuselage pylons on the F-8. The Zuni approximated
a freight train speeding past your head with about 6 inches clearance.

IIRC, the Mk 17 motor on an early Sidewinder burned for about 2-2 1/4
seconds.

2.2 sec. burn time, 4,200 lb. max. thrust, 8,800 lb. sec. total impulse, per
Combat Snap.

The Mk 36 in the AIM-9C and its derivatives burned for
something between 4 & 5 seconds. The Mk 36 has more impule (Total
energy), but lower thrust.

I know I've got it, but can't find the data -- Aargh!

Guy

John Carrier wrote:
"Jeb Hoge" wrote in message
om...

Originally, I'm pretty sure Sidewinder was designed using Zuni
bodies and motors.

Nope. The Zuni burn time was very short, perhaps 1 second. SW was
at least
5. I've fired both from fuselage pylons on the F-8. The Zuni
approximated a freight train speeding past your head with about 6
inches clearance.


FWIW, _Sidewinder_ (by Ron Westrum) says Sidewinder used the motor of the
"High-Performance Air-to-Ground" rocket that China Lake was developing. It
was picked specifically because it was a slow-burn, low-acceleration rocket
that woudn't damage Sidewinder's fairly fragile seeker.

The China Lake alumni organization's website has one picture of a Skyraider
with HPAGs under the wings. They are non-podded rockets with fixed tail
fins, quite different from Zuni.

http://www.chinalakealumni.org/1954.htm

(You'll have to scroll the photo list a bit; I can't find a way to link
directly to the right picture and still show the caption.)

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