Navy or Air Farce?

"Pechs1" wrote in message
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I guess that's the other thing I remember about 'some' USAF types,
their lack of a sense of humor.


Oh, they have it, it's just more sophisticated.

Better airplane? When I was flying 86s out of Naha on Oki-knock-knock
the Navy was flying Panthers - and the Gutless. Even when we switched
to F86Ds we could eat both of those beasts alive. During my career the
only Navy fighter we respected was the Crusader - everything else was
toast to our 104s. Then when we got the Dash 19 engine and a 25%
thrust increase there weren't any more Crusaders around! Damn, that
F8 was one fine machine. I had four friends flew it on exchange - 2
Marine and 2 Navy. I also had 2 friends fly the Demon on exchange -
the less said about that the better. One of them (Larry Davis) had a
ramp strike but his part of the Drut slid up the flight deck and he
was okay. I always wondered if he got a medal for reducing the
inventory of Demons by one.
Walt BJ

WaltBJ avait énoncé :

I always wondered if he got a medal for reducing the
inventory of Demons by one.

Why was this plane so awful ?

--
Sergio
Marchand à la petite semaine

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:40:23 +0100, Sergio
disturbed the phosphur particles on my screen with the following:

WaltBJ avait énoncé :

I always wondered if he got a medal for reducing the
inventory of Demons by one.

Why was this plane so awful ?

Under powered would be my guess.

Greasy Rider wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:40:23 +0100, Sergio
disturbed the phosphur particles on my screen with the following:

WaltBJ avait énoncé :

I always wondered if he got a medal for reducing the
inventory of Demons by one.

Why was this plane so awful ?

Under powered would be my guess.

Correct - and also short-legged. The only fighter I know of that had a
mod that incorporated an emergency afterburner switch that when
activated would light the AB in idle. Larry told us it was for use in
just such cases as he had - going low close-in when it was desperately
needed to avert a ramp strike. He dropped in to visit us at RG AFB
(south side of Kansas City MO) and the only place he could get to on
an IFR flight plan (alternate required) was NAS Memphis. ISTR that's
about 300 miles . . . .
Walt BJ

The only fighter I know of that had a
mod that incorporated an emergency afterburner switch that when
activated would light the AB in idle. Larry told us it was for use in
just such cases as he had - going low close-in when it was desperately
needed to avert a ramp strike.

All the airplanes I flew in the marines had propellers on the front
end. Sudden application of power at slow speeds could produce
surprising, and possibly fatal, results.So the above paragraph raises
two questions in my mind:

1. Aren't all jet engines slow in responding when the throttle is
pushed forward? (Isn't that why full power is applied when hitting
the deck?)

2. Is the engine idling when a jet approaches the ramp? I thought
it was a powered approach. Would a prudent pilot cut the power to
idle, if a little high, if the engines respond slowly? Seems to me if
he were that high, it would be smart to start a go-round.

vince norris

vpn- 1. Aren't all jet engines slow in responding when the throttle is
pushed forward? (Isn't that why full power is applied when hitting
the deck?)

Depends-Smaller diameter turbojet engines had very quick spool up. Not like a
prop but fast. Bigger diameter engines and turbofans, VERY large diameter were
definately slower, but you learned how to 'fly' the engine you had.

2. Is the engine idling when a jet approaches the ramp? I thought
it was a powered approach. Would a prudent pilot cut the power to
idle, if a little high, if the engines respond slowly? Seems to me if
he were that high, it would be smart to start a go-round.

It is a power on approach, on speed angle of attack, constant attitude until
touchdown followed by full power at touchdown whether ya got a wire or not.

I think the early jet, straight deck boys did a 'cut' pass-no? With some of the
centrifical type engines, like in the F-9, I'm sure it was 'interesting'.

vince norris





BRBR

P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

roncachamp- Oh, they have it, it's just more sophisticated. BRBR

Righto sport, why don't ya take the pack off?


P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Pechs1" wrote in message
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I guess that's the other thing I remember about 'some' USAF types,
their lack of a sense of humor.


Oh, they have it, it's just more sophisticated.


We've got a lot of USAF posters in the halls here at the Air Force Research
Laboratory Rome Research Site (formerly Griffiss AFB). Many say "America's
Air Force-No One Comes Close." When I asked a colonel if the last phrase was
about their personal hygiene, he quickly replied that it referred to their
bombing accuracy.

Joe




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