Navy or Air Farce?

WaltBJ avait énoncé :

I always wondered if he got a medal for reducing the
inventory of Demons by one.

Why was this plane so awful ?

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Sergio
Marchand à la petite semaine

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:40:23 +0100, Sergio
disturbed the phosphur particles on my screen with the following:

WaltBJ avait énoncé :

I always wondered if he got a medal for reducing the
inventory of Demons by one.

Why was this plane so awful ?

Under powered would be my guess.

Greasy Rider wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 11:40:23 +0100, Sergio
disturbed the phosphur particles on my screen with the following:

WaltBJ avait énoncé :

I always wondered if he got a medal for reducing the
inventory of Demons by one.

Why was this plane so awful ?

Under powered would be my guess.

Correct - and also short-legged. The only fighter I know of that had a
mod that incorporated an emergency afterburner switch that when
activated would light the AB in idle. Larry told us it was for use in
just such cases as he had - going low close-in when it was desperately
needed to avert a ramp strike. He dropped in to visit us at RG AFB
(south side of Kansas City MO) and the only place he could get to on
an IFR flight plan (alternate required) was NAS Memphis. ISTR that's
about 300 miles . . . .
Walt BJ

The only fighter I know of that had a
mod that incorporated an emergency afterburner switch that when
activated would light the AB in idle. Larry told us it was for use in
just such cases as he had - going low close-in when it was desperately
needed to avert a ramp strike.

All the airplanes I flew in the marines had propellers on the front
end. Sudden application of power at slow speeds could produce
surprising, and possibly fatal, results.So the above paragraph raises
two questions in my mind:

1. Aren't all jet engines slow in responding when the throttle is
pushed forward? (Isn't that why full power is applied when hitting
the deck?)

2. Is the engine idling when a jet approaches the ramp? I thought
it was a powered approach. Would a prudent pilot cut the power to
idle, if a little high, if the engines respond slowly? Seems to me if
he were that high, it would be smart to start a go-round.

vince norris

vpn- 1. Aren't all jet engines slow in responding when the throttle is
pushed forward? (Isn't that why full power is applied when hitting
the deck?)

Depends-Smaller diameter turbojet engines had very quick spool up. Not like a
prop but fast. Bigger diameter engines and turbofans, VERY large diameter were
definately slower, but you learned how to 'fly' the engine you had.

2. Is the engine idling when a jet approaches the ramp? I thought
it was a powered approach. Would a prudent pilot cut the power to
idle, if a little high, if the engines respond slowly? Seems to me if
he were that high, it would be smart to start a go-round.

It is a power on approach, on speed angle of attack, constant attitude until
touchdown followed by full power at touchdown whether ya got a wire or not.

I think the early jet, straight deck boys did a 'cut' pass-no? With some of the
centrifical type engines, like in the F-9, I'm sure it was 'interesting'.

vince norris





BRBR

P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

It is a power on approach, on speed angle of attack, constant attitude until
touchdown followed by full power at touchdown whether ya got a wire or not.

That's what I thought. Thanks.

I think the early jet, straight deck boys did a 'cut' pass-no?

Don't know, but with a/c up ahead on the straight deck, I would guess
so.

With some of the centrifical type engines, like in the F-9, I'm sure it was 'interesting'.

As you probably know, when Charleton Heston has a ramp strike in his
SBD, in the movie "Midway," it was really an F9F. I''ve heard the
pilot survived that, but I'm sure it was "interesting."

vince norris

vincent p. norris wrote:
It is a power on approach, on speed angle of attack, constant attitude until
touchdown followed by full power at touchdown whether ya got a wire or not.


That's what I thought. Thanks.


I think the early jet, straight deck boys did a 'cut' pass-no?


Don't know, but with a/c up ahead on the straight deck, I would guess
so.


With some of the centrifical type engines, like in the F-9, I'm sure it was 'interesting'.


As you probably know, when Charleton Heston has a ramp strike in his
SBD, in the movie "Midway," it was really an F9F. I''ve heard the
pilot survived that, but I'm sure it was "interesting."

vince norris

Wasn't that same footage used for the F-14 ramp strike in the movie The
Hunt for Red October as well?

ALV

VPN- As you probably know, when Charleton Heston has a ramp strike in his
SBD, in the movie "Midway," it was really an F9F. I''ve heard the
pilot survived that, but I'm sure it was "interesting." BRBR

I met his daughter, the guy that hit the ramp, not Mr Heston.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer