gunpods on Phantoms

John- But the most fuel weight (regardless of configuration) was 5.1 for an
empty
tank 7, 5.8 with it full. No fun was night recovery with 2x2 ordnance and
1/2 flaps (util failure or in my case, a flap switch failure). 1.8 on the
ball for an actual weight pass with about 40 knots of wind. BRBR

Yowser-with or w/o ail droop?
Blue water, I assume? If ya went around, into the barricade? Could they get
enough WOD for that(115kt max engaging speed(?)).

I saw a 1/2 flap, really damaged F-4 go thru the net like it wasn't there.
Exceeded the max engaging speed by a lot..BUT it slowed it down enough so the
jet wasn't flying. Both guys shelled out, neither made it. VF-102, USS
Independence, 1977 or so.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer

Yowser-with or w/o ail droop?
Blue water, I assume? If ya went around, into the barricade? Could they
get
enough WOD for that(115kt max engaging speed(?)).

Next to last East Coast F-4 cruise with 102/Independence ... 153xxx F-4J
with drooped ailerons. Somewhere in the Arabian sea, night. Dirtied up and
noticed the airspeed was around 165 or so vice the 143-5 that a normal
airplane would see at full flaps. Gauge indicated full, cycled them through
1/2 ... no change in speed or aircraft response. Cycled them up and back to
full ... still 165. Sooo. We told CATCC that we wanted a low pass and
speed check with SPN-42.'

They confirmed our speed. Cleaned up tanked a bit ... twice I think as the
galley slaves responded to the increased tempo drumbeat. About a 1/2 hour
later they were ready. Wanted us around 2.0 or thereabouts and ran the
weights. Flies a nice pass at 1/2 flaps, honored the stronger burble ...
but not much ... and grabbed the 1 on the fly.

A bingo wasn't totally out of the question, but Misira (sp?) wasn't a
desirable action (diplomatic issues back then) and D-Gar was a long LONG way
away.

R / John

"John Carrier" wrote:

... and grabbed the 1 on the fly.

Is that a...ahem...unusually abrupt trap ?



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"John S. Shinal" wrote in message
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"John Carrier" wrote:

... and grabbed the 1 on the fly.

Is that a...ahem...unusually abrupt trap ?

Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on the
main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch down
tailhook first.

R / John

... and grabbed the 1 on the fly.

Is that a...ahem...unusually abrupt trap ?

Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on the
main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch down
tailhook first.

All I know is what I read in books, but I seem to recall that the opposite
of catching a one wire "on the fly" is a "taxi one wire," which suggests a
low and/or flat approach. But I'll defer to those who have BTDT.

"John Carrier" wrote:
Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on the
main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch down
tailhook first.

Oh hell - sorry. I wasn't casting aspersions on your skill at
the ramp, I thought you were alluding to something I heard of as an
"airborne engagement". It's supposed to be a murderous thump. I don't
know quite enough about the geometry over the wire to make any other
conclusions.

I just didn't know what "caught it on the fly" meant.



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No offense taken.

John

"John S. Shinal" wrote in message
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"John Carrier" wrote:
Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on
the
main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch
down
tailhook first.

Oh hell - sorry. I wasn't casting aspersions on your skill at
the ramp, I thought you were alluding to something I heard of as an
"airborne engagement". It's supposed to be a murderous thump. I don't
know quite enough about the geometry over the wire to make any other
conclusions.

I just didn't know what "caught it on the fly" meant.



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"John Carrier" wrote in message ...
Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on the
main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch down
tailhook first.

R / John

Kinda like this?
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/...-4142G-106.jpg

Groan! That much wing down with a Phantom would probably blow the left
strut.

R / John

"sid" wrote in message
om...
"John Carrier" wrote in message
...
Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on
the
main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch
down
tailhook first.

R / John

Kinda like this?
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/...-4142G-106.jpg

Foul line doesn't look like much protection there! There's video out there
somewhere of a Hornet pulling the same thing... A "RIGHT FOR LINEUP." call
from the LSO at the ramp.

Pilot does a very aggressive right wing down correction and catches his
wingtip LAU on the one wire.

There's some wild funky chicken and swearing on the mouse audio before he
comes to a stop. Thankfully, no one was hurt.

--Woody

On 3/27/04 6:26 AM, in article , "John
Carrier" wrote:

Groan! That much wing down with a Phantom would probably blow the left
strut.

R / John

"sid" wrote in message
om...
"John Carrier" wrote in message
...
Implying that I just barely grabbed it (as opposed to being settled on
the
main mounts prior to picking up the wire). Most (all?) aircraft touch
down
tailhook first.

R / John

Kinda like this?
http://www.news.navy.mil/management/...-4142G-106.jpg