Hurricane Ivan and Pensacola

Is that a fact! Well it so happens that the Navy put all of the
aircraft in the area in the blimp hangars at NAS Richmond when a
hurricane hit the Miami area just after WW II. The hangars collasped,
caught fire, and 365 aircraft and 25 blimps were lost. I also have a
photo taken at NAAS Bronson Field showing SNJs chained down with the
gear retracked and sitting on tires during a hurricane. So the
military does not always evac all aircraft.




On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:57:58 -0400, Andrew C. Toppan
wrote:


Of course they did!

The military always always evacs all aircraft possible when threatened
by a hurricane.

wrote:

Andrew C. Toppan wrote:

Of course they did!

The military always always evacs all aircraft possible when threatened
by a hurricane.

Is that a fact! Well it so happens that the Navy put all of the
aircraft in the area in the blimp hangars at NAS Richmond when a
hurricane hit the Miami area just after WW II. The hangars collasped,
caught fire, and 365 aircraft and 25 blimps were lost. I also have a
photo taken at NAAS Bronson Field showing SNJs chained down with the
gear retracked and sitting on tires during a hurricane. So the
military does not always evac all aircraft.

For values of "always" encompassing the last 50+ years Andrew is
correct. Thanks to the vagaries of timing, both military and
weather, I had the dubious privilege of participating in multiple
hurrevacs in each of three decades, 60s, 70s, and 80s. Once,
memorably, three weeks running, every Wednesday, during one spell
when deployed to NAF Kadena/Kadena AB in the 70s. Then once
again almost immediately upon return to Cherry Point from that
deployment in time for the end of the US East Coast hurricane
season.
--
OJ III
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Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast.]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 02:11:32 GMT, wrote:

Is that a fact! Well it so happens that the Navy put all of the
aircraft in the area in the blimp hangars at NAS Richmond when a
hurricane hit the Miami area just after WW II. The hangars collasped,
caught fire, and 365 aircraft and 25 blimps were lost. I also have a
photo taken at NAAS Bronson Field showing SNJs chained down with the
gear retracked and sitting on tires during a hurricane. So the
military does not always evac all aircraft.

Oh, please. You're talking about something that happened nearly 60
years ago. The rest of us are talking about *today*, or at least the
recent past.

In the 1940's we didn't even have decent hurricane prediction, so we
had fleets sailing into storms, destroyer sunk in hurricanes, aircraft
carriers decks crushed. Aircraft were slower, of shorter range,
aerial refuelling didn't exist, so evacuations would be slower or
impossible considering lack of advance notice.

Why don't you join the rest of us in the 21st (or even late 20th)
century?

--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
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In the 1940's we didn't even have decent hurricane prediction.....

Even in the 1950s. I had the pleasure of flying through one, in an
R5C-1 (C-46), that was supposed to be out of the way by the time we
got to Florida.

Wasn't very turbulent. Just very heavy rain, and a huge amount of
drift as we tried to stay on the north leg of the Miami crowfoot
range.

Suddenly we flew into bright sunlight, then soon back into the heavy
rain again, now drifting strongly the other way.

The only thing that might have made it exciting was that one prop
governor misbehaved, as they tended to do in heavy rain, and the fire
warning light on the other side kept coming on, which was also common
in heavy rain.

It didn't occur to us we had flown through the eye of the hurricane
till we landed at Miami and were told we had.

It wasn't anything like Ivan, of course.

vince norris

I didn't realize you were such and expert on Naval aviaiton. When did
you get your wings?



On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:12:53 -0400, Andrew C. Toppan
wrote:



Oh, please. You're talking about something that happened nearly 60
years ago. The rest of us are talking about *today*, or at least the
recent past.

In the 1940's we didn't even have decent hurricane prediction, so we
had fleets sailing into storms, destroyer sunk in hurricanes, aircraft
carriers decks crushed. Aircraft were slower, of shorter range,
aerial refuelling didn't exist, so evacuations would be slower or
impossible considering lack of advance notice.

Why don't you join the rest of us in the 21st (or even late 20th)
century?

--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

wrote:
I didn't realize you were such and expert on Naval aviaiton. When did
you get your wings?

Andrew's been hanging out here since there was a "here" to hang out at.

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:12:53 -0400, Andrew C. Toppan wrote:

Why don't you join the rest of us in the 21st (or even late 20th)
century?

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:07:44 GMT, wrote:

I didn't realize you were such and expert on Naval aviaiton. When did
you get your wings?

One does not need to have wings to know some basic facts about weather
prediction and aircraft capabilities of 60 years ago.


--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

"Andrew C. Toppan" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:07:44 GMT, wrote:

I didn't realize you were such and expert on Naval aviaiton. When did
you get your wings?

One does not need to have wings to know some basic facts about weather
prediction and aircraft capabilities of 60 years ago.


--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

On another note.
http://www.strategypage.com//fyeo/ho...et=HTATRIT.HTM
Regards,
Tom