IVAN--Pensacola NMNA survived (unconfirmed report)

On 19 Sep 2004 04:33:20 -0700, (Jack
Linthicum) wrote:

My copy of Florida Today, a Gannett paper, says that the "Pensacola
NAS has sustained "hundreds of millions" of dollars in damage and will
be closed for repairs indefinitely said Capt. John Pruitt, commanding
officer at the base.

On the other hand, CNN today showed video of the President leaving an
aircraft (apparently a VC-20) and said he had landed at NAS Pensacola.
Curious.

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Did he wear a handsome flight suit and swagger-?

I imagine the airstrip there, and indeed in any Navy base, is built to
some incredibly strong specifications--maybe deeper substrate, etc.--the
geology of Pensacola may be a little challenging when planning such a
patch of tarmac.

On the other hand, CNN today showed video of the President leaving an
aircraft (apparently a VC-20) and said he had landed at NAS Pensacola.
Curious.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:47:01 -0500, BuZzY
wrote:

I imagine the airstrip there, and indeed in any Navy base, is built to
some incredibly strong specifications--maybe deeper substrate, etc.--the
geology of Pensacola may be a little challenging when planning such a

I wouldn't expect the airstrip itself to be damaged at all, but I
would not be at all surprised if it was completely obstructed by
debris. And all the other things you need to make a working airfield
- radar, lights, communications, crash trucks, service vehicles,
electric power, running water....are quite subject to damage by such a
hurricane.

--
Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
"Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/

Andrew C. Toppan wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:47:01 -0500, BuZzY
wrote:

I imagine the airstrip there, and indeed in any Navy base, is built to
some incredibly strong specifications--maybe deeper substrate, etc.--the
geology of Pensacola may be a little challenging when planning such a

I wouldn't expect the airstrip itself to be damaged at all, but I
would not be at all surprised if it was completely obstructed by
debris. And all the other things you need to make a working airfield
- radar, lights, communications, crash trucks, service vehicles,
electric power, running water....are quite subject to damage by such a
hurricane.

Fair warning these are BIG files. Here is a series if aerial shots of
Sherman Field taken in the days after Ivan hit.
You can get to the whole series he
http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/IVAN00.HTM

This first one is real intersting. You can see the VC-20 and the C-17
with the presidential vehicles next to it. So this was taken the day
of his visit.

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285619.jpg


As far as the museum goes. Several of the aircraft on the remote ramp
took a really hard smack down. The Ski equipped R-4D has its right
wing torn off. The P-4Y got nailed by the P-2 next to it-and the A-1
in between the two. Several others were torn up as well. They are on
the northernmost ramp.

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285641.jpg

On 1 Oct 2004 22:31:44 -0700, (sameolesid) wrote:

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285641.jpg

Thank you for that! I was looking for just this photo and didn't know
where to find it.

The museum is on the lower right. The resoration hangar (where the
Brewster Buffalo is stored) is to the left. And to the left of that
you can see the beat-up warbirds. Ouch! I know I shouldn't say it when
folks were killed and homes destroyed, but see a C-47 with its wing
torn off really hurts.

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Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
On 1 Oct 2004 22:31:44 -0700, (sameolesid) wrote:

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285641.jpg

Thank you for that! I was looking for just this photo and didn't know
where to find it.

The museum is on the lower right. The resoration hangar (where the
Brewster Buffalo is stored) is to the left. And to the left of that
you can see the beat-up warbirds. Ouch! I know I shouldn't say it when
folks were killed and homes destroyed, but see a C-47 with its wing
torn off really hurts.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Palm Beach TV station showed a local airport with an upside down P-51
and a DC-3 with the moveable tail surfaces gone or nearly so.

(Jack Linthicum) wrote in message . com...
Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
On 1 Oct 2004 22:31:44 -0700, (sameolesid) wrote:

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285641.jpg

Thank you for that! I was looking for just this photo and didn't know
where to find it.

The museum is on the lower right. The resoration hangar (where the
Brewster Buffalo is stored) is to the left. And to the left of that
you can see the beat-up warbirds. Ouch! I know I shouldn't say it when
folks were killed and homes destroyed, but see a C-47 with its wing
torn off really hurts.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Palm Beach TV station showed a local airport with an upside down P-51
and a DC-3 with the moveable tail surfaces gone or nearly so.

Hello everyone!

Good news for Pensacola. I just saw an AP story in the Miama Herald
(http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...te/9850984.htm)
reporting that the museum will reopen on Monday! To encourage
visitors, they will give out free T-shirts, in addition to other
discounts planned. If anyone can make it to the museum, I sure would
like a T-shirt.

Also, thank you for the spectacular satellite photo mentioned above.

Wishing you all the best,
Karen

Andrew C. Toppan wrote:
On 19 Sep 2004 04:33:20 -0700, (Jack
Linthicum) wrote:


My copy of Florida Today, a Gannett paper, says that the "Pensacola
NAS has sustained "hundreds of millions" of dollars in damage and will
be closed for repairs indefinitely said Capt. John Pruitt, commanding
officer at the base.


On the other hand, CNN today showed video of the President leaving an
aircraft (apparently a VC-20) and said he had landed at NAS Pensacola.
Curious.

The airstrip is well away from the water, so no surprise. The part of
the base that got whacked the worst is right along a seawall.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:25:42 -0400, Andrew C. Toppan
wrote:

On the other hand, CNN today showed video of the President leaving an
aircraft (apparently a VC-20) and said he had landed at NAS Pensacola.

The field is open for emergencies. A visit from the president would
certainly qualify.

I was capering about on Saturday: I had reserved the Cub for Sunday
afternoon, then came the TFRs on the president's visit to ME and NH,
then came the hurricane damage and an urgent need for the president to
inspect the damage (it's an ill wind that blows nobody good) and the
Cub could fly again! But on Sunday afternoon the wind here was gusting
25 knots, so I didn't get to fly after all. (Now Bush is back in NH
today! Ah well. There is no rest for the wear in the swing states.)



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