IVAN--Pensacola NMNA survived (unconfirmed report)

Andrew C. Toppan wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:47:01 -0500, BuZzY
wrote:

I imagine the airstrip there, and indeed in any Navy base, is built to
some incredibly strong specifications--maybe deeper substrate, etc.--the
geology of Pensacola may be a little challenging when planning such a

I wouldn't expect the airstrip itself to be damaged at all, but I
would not be at all surprised if it was completely obstructed by
debris. And all the other things you need to make a working airfield
- radar, lights, communications, crash trucks, service vehicles,
electric power, running water....are quite subject to damage by such a
hurricane.

Fair warning these are BIG files. Here is a series if aerial shots of
Sherman Field taken in the days after Ivan hit.
You can get to the whole series he
http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/IVAN00.HTM

This first one is real intersting. You can see the VC-20 and the C-17
with the presidential vehicles next to it. So this was taken the day
of his visit.

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285619.jpg


As far as the museum goes. Several of the aircraft on the remote ramp
took a really hard smack down. The Ski equipped R-4D has its right
wing torn off. The P-4Y got nailed by the P-2 next to it-and the A-1
in between the two. Several others were torn up as well. They are on
the northernmost ramp.

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285641.jpg

On 1 Oct 2004 22:31:44 -0700, (sameolesid) wrote:

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285641.jpg

Thank you for that! I was looking for just this photo and didn't know
where to find it.

The museum is on the lower right. The resoration hangar (where the
Brewster Buffalo is stored) is to the left. And to the left of that
you can see the beat-up warbirds. Ouch! I know I shouldn't say it when
folks were killed and homes destroyed, but see a C-47 with its wing
torn off really hurts.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
On 1 Oct 2004 22:31:44 -0700, (sameolesid) wrote:

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285641.jpg

Thank you for that! I was looking for just this photo and didn't know
where to find it.

The museum is on the lower right. The resoration hangar (where the
Brewster Buffalo is stored) is to the left. And to the left of that
you can see the beat-up warbirds. Ouch! I know I shouldn't say it when
folks were killed and homes destroyed, but see a C-47 with its wing
torn off really hurts.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Palm Beach TV station showed a local airport with an upside down P-51
and a DC-3 with the moveable tail surfaces gone or nearly so.

(Jack Linthicum) wrote in message . com...
Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
On 1 Oct 2004 22:31:44 -0700, (sameolesid) wrote:

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/ivan/PHOTOS/26285641.jpg

Thank you for that! I was looking for just this photo and didn't know
where to find it.

The museum is on the lower right. The resoration hangar (where the
Brewster Buffalo is stored) is to the left. And to the left of that
you can see the beat-up warbirds. Ouch! I know I shouldn't say it when
folks were killed and homes destroyed, but see a C-47 with its wing
torn off really hurts.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
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Palm Beach TV station showed a local airport with an upside down P-51
and a DC-3 with the moveable tail surfaces gone or nearly so.

Hello everyone!

Good news for Pensacola. I just saw an AP story in the Miama Herald
(http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...te/9850984.htm)
reporting that the museum will reopen on Monday! To encourage
visitors, they will give out free T-shirts, in addition to other
discounts planned. If anyone can make it to the museum, I sure would
like a T-shirt.

Also, thank you for the spectacular satellite photo mentioned above.

Wishing you all the best,
Karen

Here's the Aero-News Propwash story:

Pensacola Naval Aviation Museum Opens Monday
Almost A Month After Ivan

Nearly a month after being mercilessly pounded by Hurricane
Ivan, the jewel of naval aviation history will open its doors
again, complete with a t-shirt memento of the storm.

The Museum of Naval Aviation History at NAS Pensacola is back in
business.

"The city has had the wind knocked out of it, and people are
looking for something positive," said retired Vice Adm. Jack
Fetterman, president and CEO of the Naval Aviation Museum
Foundation in an interview with local reporters. "They are looking
for some therapy, a collective positive and this museum represents
that."

The museum sustained only minor damage, although many of its
aircraft on flight line display were tossed around by winds that
gusted well over 120 miles an hour.

The Blue Angels, headquartered at the museum, will reportedly
resume their practice sessions,which are open to the public, on
October 20th.

And, as is fast becoming a tradition in Florida, the museum is
selling t-shirts that say, "Pensacola . . . soaring back after
Hurricane Ivan."

For those of us who've been through three or four of this year's
storms, it'll be the centerpiece of a fast-growing collection.
FMI: www.history.navy.mil

For the WHOLE story, go to
http://www.aero-news.net/news/milita...2-3222ab5fdbc8



all the best -- Dan Ford
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Cub Driver wrote in message . ..
Here's the Aero-News Propwash story:

Pensacola Naval Aviation Museum Opens Monday
Almost A Month After Ivan

Nearly a month after being mercilessly pounded by Hurricane
Ivan, the jewel of naval aviation history will open its doors
again, complete with a t-shirt memento of the storm.

The Museum of Naval Aviation History at NAS Pensacola is back in
business.

"The city has had the wind knocked out of it, and people are
looking for something positive," said retired Vice Adm. Jack
Fetterman, president and CEO of the Naval Aviation Museum
Foundation in an interview with local reporters. "They are looking
for some therapy, a collective positive and this museum represents
that."

The museum sustained only minor damage, although many of its
aircraft on flight line display were tossed around by winds that
gusted well over 120 miles an hour.

The Blue Angels, headquartered at the museum, will reportedly
resume their practice sessions,which are open to the public, on
October 20th.

And, as is fast becoming a tradition in Florida, the museum is
selling t-shirts that say, "Pensacola . . . soaring back after
Hurricane Ivan."

For those of us who've been through three or four of this year's
storms, it'll be the centerpiece of a fast-growing collection.
FMI: www.history.navy.mil

For the WHOLE story, go to
http://www.aero-news.net/news/milita...2-3222ab5fdbc8



I'm getting a shirt printed with "The Hurricanes 2004 Tour" and on the
back the dates of Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne and their paths
over a map of Florida.

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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Cub Driver wrote in message
. ..
Here's the Aero-News Propwash story:

Pensacola Naval Aviation Museum Opens Monday
Almost A Month After Ivan

Nearly a month after being mercilessly pounded by Hurricane
Ivan, the jewel of naval aviation history will open its doors
again, complete with a t-shirt memento of the storm.

The Museum of Naval Aviation History at NAS Pensacola is back in
business.

"The city has had the wind knocked out of it, and people are
looking for something positive," said retired Vice Adm. Jack
Fetterman, president and CEO of the Naval Aviation Museum
Foundation in an interview with local reporters. "They are looking
for some therapy, a collective positive and this museum represents
that."

The museum sustained only minor damage, although many of its
aircraft on flight line display were tossed around by winds that
gusted well over 120 miles an hour.

The Blue Angels, headquartered at the museum, will reportedly
resume their practice sessions,which are open to the public, on
October 20th.

And, as is fast becoming a tradition in Florida, the museum is
selling t-shirts that say, "Pensacola . . . soaring back after
Hurricane Ivan."

For those of us who've been through three or four of this year's
storms, it'll be the centerpiece of a fast-growing collection.
FMI: www.history.navy.mil

For the WHOLE story, go to

http://www.aero-news.net/news/milita...2-3222ab5fdbc8



I'm getting a shirt printed with "The Hurricanes 2004 Tour" and on the
back the dates of Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne and their paths
over a map of Florida.

You might want to wait, until the Hurricane season is over. As recently as
2001 Hurricane Michelle hit Cuba as a Cat 4 quickly weakling to a Cat 3
brushed south Fla on its way through the Bahamas. This occurred between Oct
29 and Nov 5th 2001. Then there was Hurricane Gordon 8-21 Nov 1994, Which
was a hurricane when it hit Cuba, but not when it went over Ft Meyers, but
it became a hurricane again, after it left Vero Beach. And on Nov 30, 1925 a
Hurricane hit Tampa FL.

Florida is more likely, according to the records from 1900-2000, to be hit
by a Hurricane in Oct than it is in Aug. Actually Oct is only exceeded by
Sep, as the most likely time for a hurricane to hit Fl. The other states all
have Sep as #1, Aug as #2 and Oct as #3.

The only month in which a Hurricane has not been recorded somewhere in the
Atlantic (included the Carib and Gulf of Mex) is Feb. Hurricanes have hit
the Fl from as early as April (?) and as late as 30 Nov. The reason I have a
(?) after April is that there were two deaths recorded in Fl due to
wind/wave action and tide in April but it is not clear if it the storm was
Tropical or Hurricane strength at the time.

I bet you really wanted to read all of this, didn't you?

"Diamond Jim" wrote in message
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"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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Good advice. There are still a few million square miles of warm water out
there to send moist flows north, and the polar flows yet to come can kick it
upstairs with catastrophic results. IIRC, Alabama regularly has nine times
as many tornadoes in November than any other month?

Rick

You might want to wait, until the Hurricane season is over. As recently as
2001 Hurricane Michelle hit Cuba as a Cat 4 quickly weakling to a Cat 3
brushed south Fla on its way through the Bahamas. This occurred between
Oct
29 and Nov 5th 2001. Then there was Hurricane Gordon 8-21 Nov 1994, Which
was a hurricane when it hit Cuba, but not when it went over Ft Meyers, but
it became a hurricane again, after it left Vero Beach. And on Nov 30, 1925
a
Hurricane hit Tampa FL.

Florida is more likely, according to the records from 1900-2000, to be hit
by a Hurricane in Oct than it is in Aug. Actually Oct is only exceeded by
Sep, as the most likely time for a hurricane to hit Fl. The other states
all
have Sep as #1, Aug as #2 and Oct as #3.

The only month in which a Hurricane has not been recorded somewhere in the
Atlantic (included the Carib and Gulf of Mex) is Feb. Hurricanes have hit
the Fl from as early as April (?) and as late as 30 Nov. The reason I have
a
(?) after April is that there were two deaths recorded in Fl due to
wind/wave action and tide in April but it is not clear if it the storm was
Tropical or Hurricane strength at the time.

I bet you really wanted to read all of this, didn't you?

Matthew will be there Sunday afternoon.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ftp/graphics...IF/082058W.gif

"Yofuri" wrote in message
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"Diamond Jim" wrote in message
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"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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snip

Good advice. There are still a few million square miles of warm water
out there to send moist flows north, and the polar flows yet to come
can kick it upstairs with catastrophic results. IIRC, Alabama
regularly has nine times as many tornadoes in November than any other
month?

This is news to me and the Blue Angels. They are based (headquartered) on
Sherman Field and have no official affiliation with the Museum. They do
however support the museum and make appearances there when their schedules
allow. Usually in conjunction with special events and school functions.

Jake

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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The Blue Angels, headquartered at the museum, will reportedly
resume their practice sessions,which are open to the public, on
October 20th.