cheap, durable, homebuilt aircrafts- myth or truth?

"sean trost" wrote...
pacplyer wrote:


this is a joke right???
you have to be kidding aren't you???
if you don't know about all the homebuilt kit planes you have to be a
complete idiot.

Well t-h-a-n-k y-o-u, Mr. Ugly American for putting a legitimate
posters question down in flames. I have no doubt, "Gilligan," you
have never been out of the U.S, let alone India, or you wouldn't have
posted anything like this. How old are you anyway?

-=:|SAJAN|:=- , I would like to apologize for my moronic countryman's
(Gilan's) senseless attack on you. I was in Mumbi a couple of years
ago, struggling with the government's ATC there. They still seem
determined to keep foreign commercial air traffic at a standstill. Do
they allow many experimentals to fly there?

Would have to agree with pac on this. Sorry about the moron Sajan.
all the best

Well thanx sean n "pacplyer" (i wonder what it means). Thanx for
showing ur concern. Now i think i should be in america to buy a mini
aircraft. Still i think that someday i wud own one. There was a news
in the papers on 27th Dec that the government has started allowing
some private individuals n flying clubs to fly their private aircrafts
at the domestic airport in Mumbai. I dont think they allow Foreign
individuals or any experimentals to fly right now. But they soon
will(thats what i think). I think that answers ur question. Thanx
again.
-=:|SAJAN|:=-

(-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote

Well thanx sean n "pacplyer" (i wonder what it means). Thanx for
showing ur concern. Now i think i should be in america to buy a mini
aircraft. Still i think that someday i wud own one. There was a news
in the papers on 27th Dec that the government has started allowing
some private individuals n flying clubs to fly their private aircrafts
at the domestic airport in Mumbai. I dont think they allow Foreign
individuals or any experimentals to fly right now. But they soon
will(thats what i think). I think that answers ur question. Thanx
again.
-=:|SAJAN|:=-


-=:|SAJAN|:=-,

"pacific flyer" is pronounced somewhat comically where I used to be
based for six years in the Philippine Islands. Since the language
the Tagolog, does not have an constanant for "f", a "p" sound is
substituted by the locals.

When say, a mechanic would ask where the logbook is, the ramp agent
would point to the flight crew and say:

"Sirrr, it's being taken out to the plane by that pair of plyers."

so I "plied" mostly the pacific for about ten years on the 747 and
A310 before getting sick of it and comming back home. Mostly I missed
being home where I could tinker on my homebuilt "quickie" which is an
obsolete design that's taking me way to long to get flying. With the
exception of ultralights at Clark, experimental aviation was not
allowed in the Philippines either.

I'd say that if you like working with your hands and you are very
patient, building an airplane at home can be a lot of fun. Plan on
ten years to get it done though. ;-)

pac

On 31 Dec 2003 13:37:51 -0800, (pacplyer) wrote:

(-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote
:
: Well thanx sean n "pacplyer" (i wonder what it means). Thanx for
: showing ur concern. Now i think i should be in america to buy a mini
: aircraft. Still i think that someday i wud own one. There was a news
: in the papers on 27th Dec that the government has started allowing
: some private individuals n flying clubs to fly their private aircrafts
: at the domestic airport in Mumbai. I dont think they allow Foreign
: individuals or any experimentals to fly right now. But they soon
: will(thats what i think). I think that answers ur question. Thanx
: again.
: -=:|SAJAN|:=-
:
:
:-=:|SAJAN|:=-,
:
:"pacific flyer" is pronounced somewhat comically where I used to be
:based for six years in the Philippine Islands. Since the language
:the Tagolog, does not have an constanant for "f", a "p" sound is
:substituted by the locals.
:
:When say, a mechanic would ask where the logbook is, the ramp agent
:would point to the flight crew and say:
:
:"Sirrr, it's being taken out to the plane by that pair of plyers."
:
:so I "plied" mostly the pacific for about ten years on the 747 and
:A310 before getting sick of it and comming back home. Mostly I missed
:being home where I could tinker on my homebuilt "quickie" which is an
bsolete design that's taking me way to long to get flying. With the
:exception of ultralights at Clark, experimental aviation was not
:allowed in the Philippines either.

I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
instruments are nasty.

As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
there.

Richard Riley wrote

I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
instruments are nasty.

As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
there.

Well, I walked into this one Richard. (but I'm glad to hear it.) I'm
sure what you say is true. When I was there, however, we found it
impossible for common citizens or honest Ex-Pats to get permission to
operate experimentals anywhere in Luzon where we lived (70 nm west of
Manila.) But maybe that's because we were trying to import them, I
don't know. We were considering going together on a shipping
container until we were told "no experiments allowed in P.I. sir."
But as with most things in the P.I, you can get different answers
depending on who you talk to. If you're a "nobleman" or willing to
pay officials an "extra fee, sir" which is a bribe, then anything's
possible. But operating that way has its own set of pitfalls. If
you came into a disagreement with Erap's government sometime in the
future (like over tax extortion,) sometimes they would deport the poor
guy based on some bribe he made in the past. While not common, it was
possible. This happened to my wife's employer.

I went through the same kind of difficulties with my imported car and
boat. Drove me to drinking! Every couple of months someone would
invent a "new mandatory sticker, sir" for the car or boat that only
cost 500 pesos, but you had to drive all over the place looking for
unmarked gov offices, filling out reams of paperwork, safety
inspections, vin tracings, etc, and often these offices would start
fighting with each other over who was in charge, and they commonly
would call you up and say you had to start all over again. So I just
parked my motorcycle. It wasn't worth all the aggravation! The
imported car had to have a "conduction pass" every five days. It was
maddening.

Guys checked into the Lancair factory, but when their round eyes were
spotted, the prices skyrocketed. So my friend Mark borrows the
missionary Cherokee six as a last resort to get in some GA flying, and
it seemed like everywhere he goes some little gov turd shows up with a
clipboard demanding thousands of pesos in landing fees.

So is experimental aviation legal in the P.I? I guess it is now. Is
it do-able? When I was there in the 90's I never saw any homebuilts.
Lot's of B-18's and DC-3's though.

Cheers,

pacplyer

I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
instruments are nasty.

As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
there.

Hi,
Its me SAJAN. Well pacplyer u said something about a "berkut" and
"EZ???". I saw a picture of berkut yesterday its a real cute aircraft.
I liked the design. it was just gr8. I just wanted to know how much it
costs. And the EZ too. Can u send me a picture of the EZ and such
other kitplanes that u think r cheap and have a low maintenance cost.
Plzzz mail them to me as soon as possible(PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). My id
as u know is
I wanted to know one more thing, is there any place in INDIA were
i could buy an aircraft(cost doesnt matter). I know this is a stupid
question and that i shouldn't ask u but still...if anyone else reads
this he/she can answer this question.
-=|:SAJAN|:=-

I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
instruments are nasty.

As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
there.

Hi,
Its me SAJAN. Well pacplyer u said something about a "berkut" and
"EZ???". I saw a picture of berkut yesterday its a real cute aircraft.
I liked the design. it was just gr8. I just wanted to know how much it
costs. And the EZ too. Can u send me a picture of the EZ and such
other kitplanes that u think r cheap and have a low maintenance cost.
Plzzz mail them to me as soon as possible(PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). My id
as u know is
I wanted to know one more thing, is there any place in INDIA were
i could buy an aircraft(cost doesnt matter). I know this is a stupid
question and that i shouldn't ask u but still...if anyone else reads
this he/she can answer this question.
-=|:SAJAN|:=-

(-=:|SAJAN|:=-) wrote in message . com...
I sold a Berkut kit to Mariano Osmeña, he finished it and has it
flying there, though I don't think he flies it much. He also had a
Lancair 320. The Manila police department had a Lancair ES but
pranged it at the Manila airport. For several years the Lancair
fastbuild kits were manufactured on Cebu, and a number of them were
completed and flew there. Import duty on things like engines and
instruments are nasty.

As for India, a friend of mine sold his Long EZ to a flying club
there.

Hi,
Its me SAJAN. Well pacplyer u said something about a "berkut" and
"EZ???". I saw a picture of berkut yesterday its a real cute aircraft.
I liked the design. it was just gr8. I just wanted to know how much it
costs. And the EZ too. Can u send me a picture of the EZ and such
other kitplanes that u think r cheap and have a low maintenance cost.
Plzzz mail them to me as soon as possible(PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). My id
as u know is
I wanted to know one more thing, is there any place in INDIA were
i could buy an aircraft(cost doesnt matter). I know this is a stupid
question and that i shouldn't ask u but still...if anyone else reads
this he/she can answer this question.
-=|:SAJAN|:=-


Hey SAJAN,

Richard Riley was tacked onto the bottom of my post, I think I must of
trimmed it wrong or something, my fault. But Richard Riley is the
expert I'm sure on the berkut since he owned one. Hopefully he'll
spot this and respond. I don't know how to put a link to pictures
yet. Have you tried to type in Berkut into the googe search? And
Richard where was the Eze at the Indian flying club at?

Good Luck

pacplyer