First fly in 1890 by Clement ADER (France)

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:51:20 +0100, Steve wrote:

vanselow wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:13:34 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Platon67" wrote in message
...

Commemorating the 100th Anniversary of Flight (1903-2003)


Are you saying that the Wrights did not achieve powered, sustained,
controlled
heavier-than-air flight in 1903, or are you saying that someone else
achieved it before them?


There are a number of claimants to the first powered heavier-than-air
flight.

Clément Ader, 9 October 1890 to 14 October 1897
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Ader
www.daviesharbour.com/aiaa/hist/fra.html

Lyman Gilmore, 15 May 15 1902
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_Gilmore

Gustave Whitehead, (Gustav Weisskopf, he was a German) 14 August 1901
www.deepsky.com/~firstflight/Pages/gpage4.html
http://www.weisskopf.de/

Richard Pearse, 31 March 1903
www.destination.co.nz/temuka/pearse.htm
www.billzilla.org/pearce.htm

Karl Jatho, 18 August 1903
www.flyingmachines.org/jatho.html


May be the first kiter:
Otto Lilienthal, 1891
http://www.lilienthal-museum.de/olma/ehome.htm


There were many powered lighter-than-air flights well before the
Wright
Brothers were even born.

Henri Giffard, 24 September 1852
www.skytamer.com/famous/1800.htm


the borther Wrights were just be filmed doing that, and they were
USamercians.

Nonsense. None of these stand up to scrutiny. I've already dealt with
Ader's false claims. Whitehead made an uncontrolled hop and later tried
to boost his claim into something it wasn't.

No that isn't true.
If you would read the text, you would know,
that people have rebuild the flyer of Whitehead (Weisskopf).
And that flyer fly very well, it isn't uncontrolled.

bye
m. vanselow

Vanselow,

If you would read the text, you would know,
that people have rebuild the flyer of Whitehead (Weisskopf).


Well, if YOU would research that, you would find that they didn't
rebuild it. The built something similar looking with a much more
powerful engine. A barn door will fly, if the attached engine is strong
enough...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"vanselow" wrote in message
...

No that isn't true.
If you would read the text, you would know,
that people have rebuild the flyer of Whitehead (Weisskopf).
And that flyer fly very well, it isn't uncontrolled.


No true replica of any Whitehead craft has ever been built.

vanselow wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:51:20 +0100, Steve wrote:


vanselow wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:13:34 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:



"Platon67" wrote in message
...


Commemorating the 100th Anniversary of Flight (1903-2003)


Are you saying that the Wrights did not achieve powered, sustained,
controlled
heavier-than-air flight in 1903, or are you saying that someone else
achieved it before them?


There are a number of claimants to the first powered heavier-than-air
flight.

Clément Ader, 9 October 1890 to 14 October 1897
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Ader
www.daviesharbour.com/aiaa/hist/fra.html

Lyman Gilmore, 15 May 15 1902
http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyman_Gilmore

Gustave Whitehead, (Gustav Weisskopf, he was a German) 14 August 1901
www.deepsky.com/~firstflight/Pages/gpage4.html
http://www.weisskopf.de/

Richard Pearse, 31 March 1903
www.destination.co.nz/temuka/pearse.htm
www.billzilla.org/pearce.htm

Karl Jatho, 18 August 1903
www.flyingmachines.org/jatho.html


May be the first kiter:
Otto Lilienthal, 1891
http://www.lilienthal-museum.de/olma/ehome.htm


There were many powered lighter-than-air flights well before the
Wright
Brothers were even born.

Henri Giffard, 24 September 1852
www.skytamer.com/famous/1800.htm


the borther Wrights were just be filmed doing that, and they were
USamercians.

Nonsense. None of these stand up to scrutiny. I've already dealt with
Ader's false claims. Whitehead made an uncontrolled hop and later tried
to boost his claim into something it wasn't.


No that isn't true.
If you would read the text, you would know,
that people have rebuild the flyer of Whitehead (Weisskopf).
And that flyer fly very well, it isn't uncontrolled.

bye
m. vanselow

It's you who needs to do more reading. That replica was cheated to a
significant degree and doesn't truly represent what Whitehead claimed to
have flown - not least in its powerplant. And it certainly did not have
control in all three axes - you do understand what that means, don't you?