Airport security.

Roy Smith writes:

There's a
lot of stuff that's been done lately in the name of national security
which I strongly disagree with, but this seemed quite reasonable and
appropriate to me, especially given the easy access to heavy metal on
the GA ramp.

So...what would they have done if they discovered a bunch of maintenance
tools and firearms in your trunk? Escort you to your plane?

--kyler

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Kyler Laird wrote:

Roy Smith writes:

There's a
lot of stuff that's been done lately in the name of national security
which I strongly disagree with, but this seemed quite reasonable and
appropriate to me, especially given the easy access to heavy metal on
the GA ramp.

So...what would they have done if they discovered a bunch of maintenance
tools and firearms in your trunk? Escort you to your plane?

--kyler

I assume I would have found out what the business end of an M-16 looked
like and at the very least gotten to answer a lot of pointed questions.
And I probably wouldn't be sitting here in my living room today typing
this.

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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In article ,
Kyler Laird wrote:

Roy Smith writes:

There's a
lot of stuff that's been done lately in the name of national security
which I strongly disagree with, but this seemed quite reasonable and
appropriate to me, especially given the easy access to heavy metal on
the GA ramp.

So...what would they have done if they discovered a bunch of maintenance
tools and firearms in your trunk? Escort you to your plane?

--kyler

I assume I would have found out what the business end of an M-16 looked
like and at the very least gotten to answer a lot of pointed questions.
And I probably wouldn't be sitting here in my living room today typing
this.

Maintenance tools and firearms locked in a trunk are illegal where you live?

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"Dave Stadt" wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Kyler Laird wrote:

Roy Smith writes:

There's a
lot of stuff that's been done lately in the name of national security
which I strongly disagree with, but this seemed quite reasonable and
appropriate to me, especially given the easy access to heavy metal on
the GA ramp.

So...what would they have done if they discovered a bunch of maintenance
tools and firearms in your trunk? Escort you to your plane?

--kyler

I assume I would have found out what the business end of an M-16 looked
like and at the very least gotten to answer a lot of pointed questions.
And I probably wouldn't be sitting here in my living room today typing
this.

Maintenance tools and firearms locked in a trunk are illegal where you live?



No, they're not. But you asked me what they would have done if they
found them in my trunk, and I gave you my best guess.

What would you expect would happen?

Roy Smith writes:

There's a
lot of stuff that's been done lately in the name of national security
which I strongly disagree with, but this seemed quite reasonable and
appropriate to me, especially given the easy access to heavy metal on
the GA ramp.

[...]

Maintenance tools and firearms locked in a trunk are illegal where you live?

No, they're not. But you asked me what they would have done if they
found them in my trunk, and I gave you my best guess.

What would you expect would happen?

I think it was a decent guess. The point I was trying to address was the
"seemed quite reasonable" part. If you think it's reasonable that they're
searching cars, what *reasonable* thing do you expect them to do when they
find something interesting?

I contend that what they're doing is only reasonable from the perspective
of someone wanting to cover his butt and increase his budget. It has
nothing to do with preventing violent crime ('cept maybe kidnapping). It
has everything to do with hassling people who are not causing problems in
order to make bystanders feel warm and fuzzy.

Then again, maybe I'm just a cynic. (Who'd a thunk it?)

--kyler

Kyler Laird wrote:
I think it was a decent guess. The point I was trying to address was the
"seemed quite reasonable" part. If you think it's reasonable that they're
searching cars, what *reasonable* thing do you expect them to do when they
find something interesting?

Yes, I think it's reasonable. It's already been demonstrated that
terrorists can and will hijack jet airplanes to use them as weapons. As
we crack down on security around scheduled airlines, they will look to
other avenues to obtain these weapons. I'm not talking stealing a 172
from Podunk Municipal, I'm talking stealing one of the 737's parked on
the GA ramp at Westchester.

I don't consider looking in my trunk to be a major imposition. They
didn't delay me significantly and they didn't damage my vehicle. They
didn't pat me down, they didn't ask me to take my shoes off, they didn't
even ask me to get out of the car. All in all, it was a lot less of a
hassle than what I go through when I check in for a commercial airline
flight.

If you're looking for violations of civil rights, don't look for private
plane owners being delayed for one minute and asked to open the trunks
of their cars when they drive into the airport. Look for people being
held in jails with no access to legal representation and no due process.

Roy Smith writes:

I don't consider looking in my trunk to be a major imposition.

But you still haven't said what you would have them do if they found
something reasonable and legal such as tools and firearms in there.

--kyler

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Kyler Laird wrote:

Roy Smith writes:

There's a
lot of stuff that's been done lately in the name of national
security
which I strongly disagree with, but this seemed quite reasonable
and
appropriate to me, especially given the easy access to heavy metal
on
the GA ramp.

So...what would they have done if they discovered a bunch of
maintenance
tools and firearms in your trunk? Escort you to your plane?

--kyler

I assume I would have found out what the business end of an M-16
looked
like and at the very least gotten to answer a lot of pointed
questions.
And I probably wouldn't be sitting here in my living room today typing
this.

Maintenance tools and firearms locked in a trunk are illegal where you
live?



No, they're not. But you asked me what they would have done if they
found them in my trunk, and I gave you my best guess.

What would you expect would happen?

I would expect them to say have a nice day, apologize for delaying you and
let you go about your business. Anything less would be unreasonable,
intolerable and unacceptable.

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"Dave Stadt" wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
In article om,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Kyler Laird wrote:

Roy Smith writes:

There's a
lot of stuff that's been done lately in the name of national
security
which I strongly disagree with, but this seemed quite reasonable
and
appropriate to me, especially given the easy access to heavy metal
on
the GA ramp.

So...what would they have done if they discovered a bunch of
maintenance
tools and firearms in your trunk? Escort you to your plane?

--kyler

I assume I would have found out what the business end of an M-16
looked
like and at the very least gotten to answer a lot of pointed
questions.
And I probably wouldn't be sitting here in my living room today typing
this.

Maintenance tools and firearms locked in a trunk are illegal where you
live?



No, they're not. But you asked me what they would have done if they
found them in my trunk, and I gave you my best guess.

What would you expect would happen?

I would expect them to say have a nice day, apologize for delaying you and
let you go about your business. Anything less would be unreasonable,
intolerable and unacceptable.

No, that's what you would LIKE to happen. Perhaps it's even what you
think SHOULD happen. If you honestly EXPECT that it would happen,
you're not being realistic.

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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"Dave Stadt" wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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In article om,
"Dave Stadt" wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Kyler Laird wrote:

Roy Smith writes:

There's a
lot of stuff that's been done lately in the name of national
security
which I strongly disagree with, but this seemed quite
reasonable
and
appropriate to me, especially given the easy access to heavy
metal
on
the GA ramp.

So...what would they have done if they discovered a bunch of
maintenance
tools and firearms in your trunk? Escort you to your plane?

--kyler

I assume I would have found out what the business end of an M-16
looked
like and at the very least gotten to answer a lot of pointed
questions.
And I probably wouldn't be sitting here in my living room today
typing
this.

Maintenance tools and firearms locked in a trunk are illegal where
you
live?



No, they're not. But you asked me what they would have done if they
found them in my trunk, and I gave you my best guess.

What would you expect would happen?

I would expect them to say have a nice day, apologize for delaying you
and
let you go about your business. Anything less would be unreasonable,
intolerable and unacceptable.

No, that's what you would LIKE to happen. Perhaps it's even what you
think SHOULD happen. If you honestly EXPECT that it would happen,
you're not being realistic.

If I did nothing wrong why are my expectations not reasonable? In one of
your posts you alluded to the fact that if you had tools and a legal weapon
in your trunk you thought it reasonable for you to be held at gun point and
detained. I find that kind of thinking very sad and it certainly leads one
to believe the terrorist have won.