Cherokee 180

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:59:18 -0500, Russell Kent
wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:

And, BTW: did you know there is a rudder trim indicator on your 180? ;-)

Actually, didn't we determine that it is in fact a rudder trim control
indicator (i.e. indicates where the control currently is within its full

....and what a useless indicator it really is. I just twisted the knob
so that the ball was centered in straight and level flight with my
feet off the pedals and forgot about it. Haven't had to touch it again
in over 300 hours flying since then.

.... and yes, I have touched the rudder pedals themselves at least a
few times in that 300+ hours ;-)

I do use mine occasionally for a long climb. I agree though that it is not a
necessary thing though.

Neal wrote:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 17:59:18 -0500, Russell Kent
wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:

And, BTW: did you know there is a rudder trim indicator on your 180? ;-)

Actually, didn't we determine that it is in fact a rudder trim control
indicator (i.e. indicates where the control currently is within its full

...and what a useless indicator it really is. I just twisted the knob
so that the ball was centered in straight and level flight with my
feet off the pedals and forgot about it. Haven't had to touch it again
in over 300 hours flying since then.

... and yes, I have touched the rudder pedals themselves at least a
few times in that 300+ hours ;-)

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Neal wrote:
: ...and what a useless indicator it really is. I just twisted the knob
: so that the ball was centered in straight and level flight with my
: feet off the pedals and forgot about it. Haven't had to touch it again
: in over 300 hours flying since then.

True enough that the indicator has little use. The trim is good
for long climbs as someone mentioned, or if you snooze too long and forget
to switch tanks. The wing imbalance can be trimmed out with the rudder
trim, although you'll lose a little speed by flying sideways. Sometimes
worth it if the aileron pull keeps you flying in circles on the clouds...


-Cory

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wrote:
Neal wrote:
: ...and what a useless indicator it really is. I just twisted the knob
: so that the ball was centered in straight and level flight with my
: feet off the pedals and forgot about it. Haven't had to touch it again
: in over 300 hours flying since then.

True enough that the indicator has little use. The trim is good
for long climbs as someone mentioned, or if you snooze too long and forget
to switch tanks. The wing imbalance can be trimmed out with the rudder
trim, although you'll lose a little speed by flying sideways. Sometimes
worth it if the aileron pull keeps you flying in circles on the clouds...

In the 300 HP Lance I used to fly, S.O.P. was trim full right for takeoff and
climb, then full left for cruise and descent. Worked out about right.

Dave

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Wow, that is alot. I find that typically I only need about two turns either
direction.

Dave Butler wrote:

wrote:
Neal wrote:
: ...and what a useless indicator it really is. I just twisted the knob
: so that the ball was centered in straight and level flight with my
: feet off the pedals and forgot about it. Haven't had to touch it again
: in over 300 hours flying since then.

True enough that the indicator has little use. The trim is good
for long climbs as someone mentioned, or if you snooze too long and forget
to switch tanks. The wing imbalance can be trimmed out with the rudder
trim, although you'll lose a little speed by flying sideways. Sometimes
worth it if the aileron pull keeps you flying in circles on the clouds...

In the 300 HP Lance I used to fly, S.O.P. was trim full right for takeoff and
climb, then full left for cruise and descent. Worked out about right.

Dave

Remove SHIRT to reply directly.

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--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Wow, that is alot. I find that typically I only need about two turns
either
direction.

Me, too -- three turns, at most -- and we've got 235 HP.

I guess 300 HP is, well, a bunch more horsepower!
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
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www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Wow, that is alot. I find that typically I only need about two turns

either

direction.


Me, too -- three turns, at most -- and we've got 235 HP.

I guess 300 HP is, well, a bunch more horsepower!

....or maybe the springs in the rudder trim mechanism were weak.