Cirrus and Lancair Make Bonanza Obsolete?

Wow, remember the old days when airplanes didn't have chutes and
pilots knew how to fly?

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:55:50 -0500, Peter R. wrote:

Tom S. ) wrote:

More than one (why do only fatals count) and in that one, it FAILED to
deploy. Nice to know that the only spin recovery is to deploy (maybe) a
'chute.

Keep in mind that the while the NTSB report concluded that the 'chute did
not deploy, the report did not state why this did not occur. Unfortunately
for all involved, the why won't ever be known, despite what the upcoming
lawsuit claims.

Perhaps you were stating that but one interpretation of your post could be
that the deployment system failed, which was not able to be proven.

Stu,

Wow, remember the old days when airplanes didn't have chutes and
pilots knew how to fly?


Oh, yeah, and they didn't have autopilots. And real men flew by just
flapping their arms. Jeeze, how stupidly macho do you want to get?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Stu,

Wow, remember the old days when airplanes didn't have chutes and
pilots knew how to fly?


Oh, yeah, and they didn't have autopilots. And real men flew by just
flapping their arms. Jeeze, how stupidly macho do you want to get?

Well, how deep is your denial?

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:01:02 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Stu,

Wow, remember the old days when airplanes didn't have chutes and
pilots knew how to fly?


Oh, yeah, and they didn't have autopilots. And real men flew by just
flapping their arms. Jeeze, how stupidly macho do you want to get?

Hardly a difference between recognizing an imminent spin then being
able to maneuver (fly) out of it and being unable to get out due to
design and pulling a chute, don't you think?

My arms still hurt when I think about those old days, sonny!

"Stu Gotts" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:01:02 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Stu,

Wow, remember the old days when airplanes didn't have chutes and
pilots knew how to fly?


Oh, yeah, and they didn't have autopilots. And real men flew by just
flapping their arms. Jeeze, how stupidly macho do you want to get?

Hardly a difference between recognizing an imminent spin then being
able to maneuver (fly) out of it and being unable to get out due to
design and pulling a chute, don't you think?

My arms still hurt when I think about those old days, sonny!

Honestly, Ive heard this so many times before that I used to ignore it....
Then it happend
3000 feet in the clouds, just finishing the departure, setting up for my
approach into seatac, im in
a single engine 172XP, and the engine starts running VERY rough.

Net result, I broke out at 700 feet above the ground, luckily a road was
there, I landed fine, but
a car pulled out infront of me and I rear ended her. Every one was ok (me 2
passengers and the car on the ground)
but I still thank god I learned to fly IFR the hard way..... No auto pilot,
and my unusual attitudes were real.

Would I have pulled the parachute? Maybe, but im glad I had the skills to
FLY the plane first.

Scott
N1909V (the plane is totaled, but the report is in the NTSB database if you
want to read the prelim)

"Scott Aron Bloom" wrote in message
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Honestly, Ive heard this so many times before that I used to ignore it....
Then it happend
3000 feet in the clouds, just finishing the departure, setting up for my
approach into seatac, im in
a single engine 172XP, and the engine starts running VERY rough.

Net result, I broke out at 700 feet above the ground, luckily a road was
there, I landed fine, but
a car pulled out infront of me and I rear ended her. Every one was ok (me
2
passengers and the car on the ground)
but I still thank god I learned to fly IFR the hard way..... No auto
pilot,
and my unusual attitudes were real.

Would I have pulled the parachute? Maybe, but im glad I had the skills to
FLY the plane first.

Except (IIRC) Cirrus recommends NOT dicking around but going right to the
chute.

I remember the incident. Landing short on the approach to R17 must have
been pretty exciting (though landing short on R35 would be even more so!).
Good job to get down and walk away!

No Cirrus pilot I know of thinks of the BRS as anything less than a last
resort. Check out the COPA site for info on the CPPP program
www.cirruspilots.org Having invested money and time on spin training and
emergency maneuvers training, in the end, I like the idea of having one more
aid in case of a problem. I know my wife and daughter like knowing that if
I should become incapacitated they've got a way down (both are briefed on
what to do in that event as part of each flight's pax briefing).

"Scott Aron Bloom" wrote in message
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"Stu Gotts" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:01:02 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Stu,

Wow, remember the old days when airplanes didn't have chutes and
pilots knew how to fly?


Oh, yeah, and they didn't have autopilots. And real men flew by just
flapping their arms. Jeeze, how stupidly macho do you want to get?

Hardly a difference between recognizing an imminent spin then being
able to maneuver (fly) out of it and being unable to get out due to
design and pulling a chute, don't you think?

My arms still hurt when I think about those old days, sonny!

Honestly, Ive heard this so many times before that I used to ignore it....
Then it happend
3000 feet in the clouds, just finishing the departure, setting up for my
approach into seatac, im in
a single engine 172XP, and the engine starts running VERY rough.

Net result, I broke out at 700 feet above the ground, luckily a road was
there, I landed fine, but
a car pulled out infront of me and I rear ended her. Every one was ok (me
2
passengers and the car on the ground)
but I still thank god I learned to fly IFR the hard way..... No auto
pilot,
and my unusual attitudes were real.

Would I have pulled the parachute? Maybe, but im glad I had the skills to
FLY the plane first.

Scott
N1909V (the plane is totaled, but the report is in the NTSB database if
you
want to read the prelim)