Cirrus and Lancair Make Bonanza Obsolete?

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:55:20 -0700, "Tom S."
wrote:

Same as any other plane, the ground stops the spin. That is
why since spin recovery training was dropped as a PPL requirement and
spin avoidance training was instituted the number of deaths due to
spins has decreased.

Cite? That's nuts, as nutty as teaching crash avoidance.

That is called defensive driving. Things like that may not fit you
macho image, but they save lives.

"ArtP" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 06:55:20 -0700, "Tom S."
wrote:

Same as any other plane, the ground stops the spin. That is
why since spin recovery training was dropped as a PPL requirement and
spin avoidance training was instituted the number of deaths due to
spins has decreased.

Cite? That's nuts, as nutty as teaching crash avoidance.

That is called defensive driving. Things like that may not fit you
macho image, but they save lives.

"Defensive driving" and "vehicle handling" are two very distinct and
different perspectives.

If you hadn't snipped my parts of the entire post, you'd read my comparison
to a skid pan. A skid pan is NOT where they teach defensive driving.

Study a little bit: http://www.bondurant.com/pages/home.html

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:49:48 -0700, "Tom S."
wrote:


"Defensive driving" and "vehicle handling" are two very distinct and
different perspectives.

If you hadn't snipped my parts of the entire post, you'd read my comparison
to a skid pan. A skid pan is NOT where they teach defensive driving.

Yes, and you seem to be emphasizing the value of "vehicle handling"
over "defensive driving". While I maintain the biggest cause of
accidents both auto and airplane are the result of poor judgement not
poor skills. Sooner or later even superior skills will fall victim to
poor judgement unless the more mundane aspects of safety training are
given and understood. That means that prevention ("defensive driving")
is better than a cure ("vehicle handling").

"ArtP" wrote in message
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:49:48 -0700, "Tom S."
wrote:


"Defensive driving" and "vehicle handling" are two very distinct and
different perspectives.

If you hadn't snipped my parts of the entire post, you'd read my
comparison
to a skid pan. A skid pan is NOT where they teach defensive driving.

Yes, and you seem to be emphasizing the value of "vehicle handling"
over "defensive driving".

Well, "seems" that you're wrong, because I'm contrasting different
characteristics.

While I maintain the biggest cause of
accidents both auto and airplane are the result of poor judgement not
poor skills.

And very often, even good judgement can result in a situation that overtaxes
the skills of the pilot or the driver.

The human fallibility is WHY we develop and enhance skills. Adding equipment
to the recipe means that the equipment must perform properly as well.

Sooner or later even superior skills will fall victim to
poor judgement unless the more mundane aspects of safety training are
given and understood. That means that prevention ("defensive driving")
is better than a cure ("vehicle handling").

It is not a CURE (as if there's only one aspect), it's preventive, but
cannot stand on it's own; see the above about human fallibility.

As the adage goes -- "**** happens". (Is that slang for poop...I mean,
excrement? Hey, Sydney, how would you list that one?) :~)