Capt. Al Haynes sorta OT.

Richard Hertz wrote:
Yeah, but they only have to work 180 days out of the year and work only 7
hour days and then get retirement plans that are killing the tax payers.

And how much teaching experience do you have? I'm guessing none by your
response.


Matt

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Richard Hertz wrote:
Yeah, but they only have to work 180 days out of the year and work only
7
hour days and then get retirement plans that are killing the tax payers.

And how much teaching experience do you have? I'm guessing none by your
response.

Why not answer his question, Matthew?

Answer this one, too: Why is it that over 3/4ths of teachers come from the
bottom quartile of their graduating classes?

Tom Sixkiller wrote:
"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Richard Hertz wrote:

Yeah, but they only have to work 180 days out of the year and work only

7

hour days and then get retirement plans that are killing the tax payers.

And how much teaching experience do you have? I'm guessing none by your
response.


Why not answer his question, Matthew?

Answer this one, too: Why is it that over 3/4ths of teachers come from the
bottom quartile of their graduating classes?



Because he didn't ask a question. He made a statement. The only
question in the above is the one I asked.


Matt

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Tom Sixkiller wrote:
"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Richard Hertz wrote:

Yeah, but they only have to work 180 days out of the year and work only

7

hour days and then get retirement plans that are killing the tax
payers.

And how much teaching experience do you have? I'm guessing none by your
response.


Why not answer his question, Matthew?

Answer this one, too: Why is it that over 3/4ths of teachers come from
the
bottom quartile of their graduating classes?



Because he didn't ask a question. He made a statement. The only
question in the above is the one I asked.


Matt

Tom Sixkiller wrote:
"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Richard Hertz wrote:


Yeah, but they only have to work 180 days out of the year and work only

7


hour days and then get retirement plans that are killing the tax

payers.

And how much teaching experience do you have? I'm guessing none by your
response.


Why not answer his question, Matthew?

Answer this one, too: Why is it that over 3/4ths of teachers come from

the

bottom quartile of their graduating classes?



Because he didn't ask a question. He made a statement. The only
question in the above is the one I asked.


Matt





Gee, Tom, this "reply" is even more interesting than your last one! :-)


Matt

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Tom Sixkiller wrote:
"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Richard Hertz wrote:

Yeah, but they only have to work 180 days out of the year and work only

7

hour days and then get retirement plans that are killing the tax
payers.

And how much teaching experience do you have? I'm guessing none by your
response.


Why not answer his question, Matthew?

Answer this one, too: Why is it that over 3/4ths of teachers come from
the
bottom quartile of their graduating classes?



Because he didn't ask a question. He made a statement. The only
question in the above is the one I asked.

Excuse me..."answer his point".

First, his response has little do with the original point (retirement
system).

Indeed, the education system is instilling a real propensity for evasion.

Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
...
Richard Hertz wrote:
Yeah, but they only have to work 180 days out of the year and work only
7
hour days and then get retirement plans that are killing the tax payers.

And how much teaching experience do you have? I'm guessing none by your
response.

Why not answer his question, Matthew?

Answer this one, too: Why is it that over 3/4ths of teachers come from the
bottom quartile of their graduating classes?

I don't think that is true, but the statistic I know is true states that most
teachers leave teaching in the first 5 years. The reason? The pay isn't worth
the headaches, time, etc.

Margy

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:12:01 -0500, Margy Natalie
wrote:

I don't think that is true, but the statistic I know is true states that most
teachers leave teaching in the first 5 years. The reason? The pay isn't worth
the headaches, time, etc.

There's more than just salary levels behind the paucity of good
teachers.

I'm personally acquainted with one teacher who quit after one year.
The reason? The school board stood behind a pair of wealthy parents
who wanted their daughter to get away with cheating on his final test.
When he refused his "contract was not renewed."

Rob

Rob Perkins wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:12:01 -0500, Margy Natalie
wrote:

I don't think that is true, but the statistic I know is true states that most
teachers leave teaching in the first 5 years. The reason? The pay isn't worth
the headaches, time, etc.

There's more than just salary levels behind the paucity of good
teachers.

I'm personally acquainted with one teacher who quit after one year.
The reason? The school board stood behind a pair of wealthy parents
who wanted their daughter to get away with cheating on his final test.
When he refused his "contract was not renewed."


Sad but often true. That's just one of the "headaches" I was talking about. I know
a few very talented teachers who have vowed NEVER to teach GT (gifted and talented)
again unless all of the students were orphans. They loved the kids, but the parents
drove them away.

Margy

Sad but often true. That's just one of the "headaches" I was talking
about. I know
a few very talented teachers who have vowed NEVER to teach GT (gifted and
talented)
again unless all of the students were orphans. They loved the kids, but
the parents
drove them away.

Another facet is discipline. Without it, the teachers are doomed.

Our example: Iowa has it -- Wisconsin did not.

It took half a dozen trips to the principal's office before my then-2nd
grade son truly understood that when they said "Stay off the grass!" they
REALLY meant "Stay off the grass!"

In Wisconsin, the rules were simply not enforced. As a result, they had to
install metal detectors in the middle schools, and cops in the high
schools -- and we had to get our kids out of there.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
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Rob Perkins wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:12:01 -0500, Margy Natalie
wrote:

I don't think that is true, but the statistic I know is true states
that most
teachers leave teaching in the first 5 years. The reason? The pay
isn't worth
the headaches, time, etc.

There's more than just salary levels behind the paucity of good
teachers.

I'm personally acquainted with one teacher who quit after one year.
The reason? The school board stood behind a pair of wealthy parents
who wanted their daughter to get away with cheating on his final test.
When he refused his "contract was not renewed."



Margy