CBS "News" strikes AGAIN

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more about the
fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a right
to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough of those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment and
expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents.

Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda.

If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR pocket, instead
of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their kids
learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded schools.

Tom,

Making the parents more involved by making them pay would be great, but I am
not gonna hold my breath. Also, I am not sure that the end result would be
a net improvement. Many parents are such numbskulls that the kids may end
up getting even less education.

I know what you are thinking, but there is not room in the jails for all the
parents who fit this bill. So, I will agree with you in theory, but have to
disagree in what is practical (at least until congress is taken over by
libertarians).

OUT


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more about the
fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a right
to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are
capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough of
those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment and
expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to
separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents.

Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda.

If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR pocket,
instead
of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their kids
learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded schools.

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Tom,

Making the parents more involved by making them pay would be great, but I
am
not gonna hold my breath. Also, I am not sure that the end result would
be
a net improvement. Many parents are such numbskulls that the kids may end
up getting even less education.

I know what you are thinking, but there is not room in the jails for all
the
parents who fit this bill.

Jail? How does that fit?

So, I will agree with you in theory, but have to
disagree in what is practical (at least until congress is taken over by
libertarians).

Until the majority of people change between their ears, nothing is going to
change/improve _politically_.
As long as the notion of public schools is predominnt, it will continue its
course.

"You can't change a country through the politcal process; you can only
change people's point-of-view (ie, political views/outlook).



OUT


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more about
the
fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a
right
to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are
capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough of
those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment and
expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to
separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents.

Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda.

If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR pocket,
instead
of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their kids
learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded schools.

I figured you would want to throw parents who wouldn't pay for their kids
education into jail. Looks like it was a bad guess.


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Tom,

Making the parents more involved by making them pay would be great, but
I
am
not gonna hold my breath. Also, I am not sure that the end result would
be
a net improvement. Many parents are such numbskulls that the kids may
end
up getting even less education.

I know what you are thinking, but there is not room in the jails for all
the
parents who fit this bill.

Jail? How does that fit?

So, I will agree with you in theory, but have to
disagree in what is practical (at least until congress is taken over by
libertarians).

Until the majority of people change between their ears, nothing is going
to
change/improve _politically_.
As long as the notion of public schools is predominnt, it will continue
its
course.

"You can't change a country through the politcal process; you can only
change people's point-of-view (ie, political views/outlook).



OUT


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more about
the
fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a
right
to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are
capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough of
those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment and

expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to
separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents.

Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda.

If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR pocket,
instead
of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their kids
learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded schools.

"Dude" wrote in message
...
I figured you would want to throw parents who wouldn't pay for their kids
education into jail. Looks like it was a bad guess.


People would educate their kids that same way the feed them, cloth them,
care for their health..the same way they do those things for them now. If
they fail to do those things now, we call it...what?




"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Tom,

Making the parents more involved by making them pay would be great,
but
I
am
not gonna hold my breath. Also, I am not sure that the end result
would
be
a net improvement. Many parents are such numbskulls that the kids may
end
up getting even less education.

I know what you are thinking, but there is not room in the jails for
all
the
parents who fit this bill.

Jail? How does that fit?

So, I will agree with you in theory, but have to
disagree in what is practical (at least until congress is taken over
by
libertarians).

Until the majority of people change between their ears, nothing is going
to
change/improve _politically_.
As long as the notion of public schools is predominnt, it will continue
its
course.

"You can't change a country through the politcal process; you can only
change people's point-of-view (ie, political views/outlook).



OUT


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more
about
the
fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a
right
to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are
capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough
of
those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment
and

expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to
separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents.

Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda.

If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR pocket,
instead
of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their kids
learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded schools.

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
I figured you would want to throw parents who wouldn't pay for their
kids
education into jail. Looks like it was a bad guess.

People would educate their kids that same way the feed them, cloth them,
care for their health..the same way they do those things for them now. If
they fail to do those things now, we call it...what?

That depends. If the failure is because the costs far exceed the parents'
income, we call it poverty and lend a hand, as we should.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
news:KJdQb.3700$U%5.21168@attbi_s03...
"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
I figured you would want to throw parents who wouldn't pay for their
kids
education into jail. Looks like it was a bad guess.

People would educate their kids that same way the feed them, cloth them,
care for their health..the same way they do those things for them now.
If
they fail to do those things now, we call it...what?

That depends. If the failure is because the costs far exceed the parents'
income, we call it poverty and lend a hand, as we should.

No; it's called "irresponsibility". Any money spent on "educating their
kids" is going to be $$$ down a toilet...as wee see now where such kids
rules the schools. So, thus, it's a double whammy.

First, if the cost of feeding, etc, exceeds the parents income, they would
be less prone to breed IF there was no subsidy for irresponsibility. OTOH,
if someone decides to help those in trouble through no fault of their own,
there's already programs in place. Today scholarships and other programs
would be great, and are in fact reaching a heck of a lot of kids. It's also
amazing that so many parents that can't afford books, a computer, etc., can
afford all sorts of other "toys".

Now, if you want to sell your plane and donate the proceeds to some
open-ended education fund (no strings attached on the parents) be our guest.

Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Dude" wrote in message
...
I figured you would want to throw parents who wouldn't pay for their kids
education into jail. Looks like it was a bad guess.

People would educate their kids that same way the feed them, cloth them,
care for their health..the same way they do those things for them now. If
they fail to do those things now, we call it...what?

There are LOTS of parents who don't feed, cloth and care for their children. At
least these kids get 2 meals a day and a safe place to go for 6.5 hours a day.
It's called PUBLIC SCHOOL.

Margy





"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Tom,

Making the parents more involved by making them pay would be great,
but
I
am
not gonna hold my breath. Also, I am not sure that the end result
would
be
a net improvement. Many parents are such numbskulls that the kids may
end
up getting even less education.

I know what you are thinking, but there is not room in the jails for
all
the
parents who fit this bill.

Jail? How does that fit?

So, I will agree with you in theory, but have to
disagree in what is practical (at least until congress is taken over
by
libertarians).

Until the majority of people change between their ears, nothing is going
to
change/improve _politically_.
As long as the notion of public schools is predominnt, it will continue
its
course.

"You can't change a country through the politcal process; you can only
change people's point-of-view (ie, political views/outlook).



OUT


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more
about
the
fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a
right
to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are
capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough
of
those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment
and

expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to
separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents.

Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda.

If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR pocket,
instead
of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their kids
learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded schools.

Margy's posts echo everything my wife -- a dedicated public school
teacher -- has said about Montessori schools, teaching methods, etc. And my
wife's not even a pilot.

Henry

"Margy Natalie" wrote in message
...


Tom Sixkiller wrote:

"Dude" wrote in message
...
I figured you would want to throw parents who wouldn't pay for their
kids
education into jail. Looks like it was a bad guess.

People would educate their kids that same way the feed them, cloth them,
care for their health..the same way they do those things for them now.
If
they fail to do those things now, we call it...what?

There are LOTS of parents who don't feed, cloth and care for their
children. At
least these kids get 2 meals a day and a safe place to go for 6.5 hours a
day.
It's called PUBLIC SCHOOL.

Margy





"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Tom,

Making the parents more involved by making them pay would be
great,
but
I
am
not gonna hold my breath. Also, I am not sure that the end result
would
be
a net improvement. Many parents are such numbskulls that the kids
may
end
up getting even less education.

I know what you are thinking, but there is not room in the jails
for
all
the
parents who fit this bill.

Jail? How does that fit?

So, I will agree with you in theory, but have to
disagree in what is practical (at least until congress is taken
over
by
libertarians).

Until the majority of people change between their ears, nothing is
going
to
change/improve _politically_.
As long as the notion of public schools is predominnt, it will
continue
its
course.

"You can't change a country through the politcal process; you can
only
change people's point-of-view (ie, political views/outlook).



OUT


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more
about
the
fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students
have a
right
to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders
are
capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality.
Enough
of
those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal
punishment
and

expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market
to
separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible
parents.

Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda.

If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR
pocket,
instead
of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their
kids
learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded
schools.

"Dude" wrote in message
...
I figured you would want to throw parents who wouldn't pay for their kids
education into jail. Looks like it was a bad guess.


People would educate their kids that same way the feed them, cloth them,
care for their health..the same way they do those things for them now. If
they fail to do those things now, we call it...what?




"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Tom,

Making the parents more involved by making them pay would be great,
but
I
am
not gonna hold my breath. Also, I am not sure that the end result
would
be
a net improvement. Many parents are such numbskulls that the kids may
end
up getting even less education.

I know what you are thinking, but there is not room in the jails for
all
the
parents who fit this bill.

Jail? How does that fit?

So, I will agree with you in theory, but have to
disagree in what is practical (at least until congress is taken over
by
libertarians).

Until the majority of people change between their ears, nothing is going
to
change/improve _politically_.
As long as the notion of public schools is predominnt, it will continue
its
course.

"You can't change a country through the politcal process; you can only
change people's point-of-view (ie, political views/outlook).



OUT


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Dude" wrote in message
...
Teachers I have talked too care less about the money and more
about
the
fact
that they have ZERO control in the classroom. The students have a
right
to
do whatever they please wthout recourse. Only the best leaders are
capable
of controlling a classroom through force of personality. Enough
of
those
people might be recruited with lots more money, but maybe not.

The quicker solution is to either bring back corporal punishment
and

expulsions, or go with vouchers that will allow a free market to
separate
the children of idiots from the children of responsible parents.

Right there you hit the nail on the head...kinda.

If parents had to pay for their kids education out of THEIR pocket,
instead
of their neighbors, damn sure they would pay attention to their kids
learning and behavior. Ain't going to happen in tax funded schools.