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Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not hold
back since he would be on his last term.


Plumb Bob wrote:

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
k.net...

time I called them. I am in the national opt out list for all
pre-approved
credit and I still get at least two "offers" a day. I guess that Congress
is so busy spending our hard earned money developing rainforests in Iowa
and
subsidized rail to Disneyland that they don't have time for legislation
that
ordinary people really care about.

Well, they are working on legistlation you and I care about: It's called
pork spending and running up the deficit to obscene levels.

I know we all care about that!!

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

And how is this different from the elections over the past 100-150 years?

This didn't just materialize in the past few years, or even the past
generation or so.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

And which one from the past 150 years or more, would fit that description?

Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt

Mike
MU-2

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to
not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

And which one from the past 150 years or more, would fit that description?

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...
Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt


You could not have named two that did more to let the "cat outta the bag".
Well, no, they weren't puppets, but they sure liked to pull the strings.

It's a quetion who money was worse, J. Davis' Confederate money, or
Lincoln's "Greenbacks". Lincoln started us on the road to the overarching
state, and Teddy gave us the start (and a goodly trip down the road) to the
Military-Industrial Complex.



Mike
MU-2

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
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On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting
bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to
not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.

And which one from the past 150 years or more, would fit that
description?

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...
Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt


You could not have named two that did more to let the "cat outta the bag".
Well, no, they weren't puppets, but they sure liked to pull the strings.

It's a quetion who money was worse, J. Davis' Confederate money, or
Lincoln's "Greenbacks". Lincoln started us on the road to the overarching
state, and Teddy gave us the start (and a goodly trip down the road) to
the
Military-Industrial Complex.

And a segregated military.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
...

"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
nk.net...
Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt


You could not have named two that did more to let the "cat outta the
bag".
Well, no, they weren't puppets, but they sure liked to pull the strings.

It's a quetion who money was worse, J. Davis' Confederate money, or
Lincoln's "Greenbacks". Lincoln started us on the road to the
overarching
state, and Teddy gave us the start (and a goodly trip down the road) to
the
Military-Industrial Complex.

And a segregated military.

The military was segregated long before Teddy's time.

"Abafon Goula" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:12:54 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Well the elections are comming up, if you think things are getting bad
now,
wait untill GW gets re-elected (if he does), then he has no reason to not
hold
back since he would be on his last term.

Let's kick his dumb ass out! Might be nice to have a president that
has at least half a brain and not a puppet.


Unfortunately there will only be a few choices and Teddy Roosevelt is not
running this year. A major problem is that the candidates in the election
had to win the primaries. It is difficult to win the Democratic primary
without being a big government, tax and spend, bleeding heart. It is
difficult to win the Republican primary without being a big government,
borrow and spend, friend of big polluting business and the religious right.
Looks like, no matter who wins, we will have a big government with Santa
Claus at its head. Of course the real Santa Clause brought presents to
everybody and government Santa Clauses favor their constituencies.
Basically each generation is trying to steal from the next. The retired try
to steal from the working by demanding medical and retirement benefits
vastly greater than any taxes that they paid to fund them. The working in
turn try to steal from future generations by running a deficit in good times
and bad. The future generations have had nobody since TR to advance their
cause.

Mike
MU-2

Unfortunately there will only be a few choices and Teddy Roosevelt is not
running this year. A major problem is that the candidates in the election
had to win the primaries. It is difficult to win the Democratic primary
without being a big government, tax and spend, bleeding heart. It is
difficult to win the Republican primary without being a big government,
borrow and spend, friend of big polluting business and the religious right.
Looks like, no matter who wins, we will have a big government with Santa
Claus at its head. Of course the real Santa Clause brought presents to
everybody and government Santa Clauses favor their constituencies.
Basically each generation is trying to steal from the next. The retired try
to steal from the working by demanding medical and retirement benefits
vastly greater than any taxes that they paid to fund them. The working in
turn try to steal from future generations by running a deficit in good times
and bad. The future generations have had nobody since TR to advance their
cause.

Mike
MU-2



The concept of future generations being penalized as a result of a
federal government deficit has always appeared a bit one-sided to me.

Future generations get the benefits of costs incurred by previous
generations - including tangible benefits in the form of roads built,
national parks, functional government institutions created to help
maintain a stable society, as well as considerable intangible benefits
such as freedom and the benefits of wars won in the past (whose costs
were undeniable and borne by previous generations). If future
generations get the benefits of the hard work of previous generations
(in the form of a better standard of living and more perfect society),
should they not absorb at least part of the cost?

It is beyond me how to equitably allocate the costs among generations
(i.e. - determine what level of deficit a future generation should be
required to assume), but it does seem fair that future generations
should pay at least some of the cost of instititions and assets built
for their benefit. John.