Getting a little sick of it all

In article aol2c.56458$ko6.404562@attbi_s02, "Jay Honeck"
writes:

My A&P has told me that he could legally ground every, single plane he
sees -- just give him enough time. That includes the ones he works on.

It all comes down to how picky you want him to be.
--

That is what scares me about flying my plane to another airport for a prebuy
when it comes time to sell. You sure could get hung out.

Chuck

PaulaJay1 wrote:

That is what scares me about flying my plane to another airport for a prebuy
when it comes time to sell. You sure could get hung out.

No, you can't. You don't have to allow anyone to enter anything in your logs,
and, contrary to what Jay's A&P says, no mechanic can ground an aircraft.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

G.R. Patterson III, I like your signature but you need to add something to
it "enjoy it and say thank you when you return"

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Tom Sixkiller wrote:

Hmmmmm... heard this guy on George Noory's radio show last night.

http://www.iceagenow.com/index.htm

Well, it was reported to be one of the ten coldest Januaries ever recorded
in
New Jersey. Before one assumes that that presages an new ice age, one
should
flip it around. In the past, there were quite a number of colder winters.
Besides - that's just New Jersey. Hardly an indicator of a global
condition.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way
that
you look forward to the trip.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:48:25 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



PaulaJay1 wrote:

That is what scares me about flying my plane to another airport for a prebuy
when it comes time to sell. You sure could get hung out.

No, you can't. You don't have to allow anyone to enter anything in your logs,
and, contrary to what Jay's A&P says, no mechanic can ground an aircraft.

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"You don't have to allow anyone to enter anything in your logs"

As a certificated technician, performing what is defined under the CFR
as "maintenence" or an "inspection" on a US type-certificated
aircraft, I am required to do certain things. As the owner/operator of
the aircraft, you are required to do certain things.

Again, under the CFR, after completing an "inspection", a certificated
technician/authorized inspector is required to make either an
"airworthy" or "unairworthy" entry in "the maintenance record of that
equipment". This rather simple entry is clearly defined in the regs.

If I make a CFR-required sign-off on the back side of a bar coaster
and stick it to your forehead, you are CFR-required to retain said bar
coaster until the work is duplicated, superseded, or 12 months-
whichever comes first.

If you should decide to sell your airplane within this time period,
you are also required to transfer said bar coaster (or a coded form
acceptable to the purchaser) to the new owner.

BTW, a prebuy is not an "inspection", and typically very few aspects
of it could be considered "maintenance".

As I think you are inferring, the CFR cannot be used as justification
for placing "the laundry list from hell" into any aircraft maintenance
record.

TC

wrote:

As I think you are inferring, the CFR cannot be used as justification
for placing "the laundry list from hell" into any aircraft maintenance
record.

That is not what I am "inferring"; that's what I *said*.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

"G.R. Patterson III" writes:

PaulaJay1 wrote:

Can you have a pre-buy
by an A&P and not give him the option to ground the plane?

An A&P cannot ground an aircraft.

I won't engage in a nitpicking contest over the rules. I'm 100% sure
that an A&P can cause enough grief to effectively ground the airplane
to the point where you need another one to be able to legally fly it
again. I'm not talking about taking a sledgehammer to the leading
edges or other blatant nonsense, either.

-jav

"Jay Honeck" writes:

1. WHY own a plane, and never fly it?

Sometimes, I question why I own a plane and always fly it.

2. Do you feel comfortable sharing the sky with someone who flies just 2
hours per month?

It gives me pause, but it's a big sky out there, I reckon.

-jav

"Dan Luke" writes:

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
2. Do you feel comfortable sharing the sky with someone
who flies just 2 hours per month?

It takes some of the fun out of flying on a perfect, windless, sunny
Saturday that's neither too hot nor too cold. That's when the real
goobers come out. It can be fun listening to ATC dealing with them,
though.

You said it. Any time we have a couple of weeks of lousy weather that
end up with a sunny Saturday, I either stay home and go the next day,
or hang out at the hangar and listen in to the pandemonium for a while
to see if I feel like venturing up there.

-jav

"Jay Honeck" writes:

Besides, with the inst rating, I prefer to fly on the scuzzy
days and save the gorgeous days for doing things outside.

Man, no offense, but that's kinda warped.

I hope flying never gets that way for me.

Some of us enjoy both kinds of weather!

Besides, you really ought to experience of shooting an approach
to near minimums. You either really like it, or really hate it.

-jav

Ray Andraka writes:

Sorry, but I do get a kick out of flying instruments. There's not
much like coming out of an overcast with the runway right in front
of you. Climbing up on top of a rainy day into bright sunshine
is quite a kick too. Flying in and out of clouds, and the
rainbows and the cloud canyons.... Thanks, but these things
just can't be beat and then I can enjoy the earth on days when you
vfr only folks are dodging the 20 hour a year yahoos.

OK, one of those 'oh mah GAWD am I glad I can fly' moments was the
first time I took off at night into a 2000' thick marine layer. Once I
popped up on top, I suddenly was staring at an absolutely beautiful
universe. Totally uplifting and incredibly rewarding.

It's been like that every time I've done that since.

-jav