Downloading Flying Music?

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 02:05:20 GMT, "Doug" wrote:

I hate to break it to you , but downloading music is 'not' stealing ,
regardless of what spin they put on it. No one has ever been charged with
theft by the RIAA. What it is , is copyright infringement, and that is what
people 'are' being charged with.

I'll agree it's not "theft" in the legal sense, but I do agree that it's
"stealing." You're using something of value without paying for it. It's
like I slipped out to the airport and flew someone else's airplane without
permission. Even if I fill the tanks after I land, most people will
consider that I stole the airplane. Criminal charges would likely be for
something else, though.

Ron Wanttaja

Not quite...........what you describe with the airplane analogy is indeed
theft, no question about it. What downloading music is like, is I go to the
airport and make a copy of your airplane and take it for a spin. At no time
was your airplane unavailable for your use.

Doug


"Ron Wanttaja" wrote

I'll agree it's not "theft" in the legal sense, but I do agree that it's
"stealing." You're using something of value without paying for it. It's
like I slipped out to the airport and flew someone else's airplane without
permission. Even if I fill the tanks after I land, most people will
consider that I stole the airplane. Criminal charges would likely be for
something else, though.

Ron Wanttaja

In article e.rogers.com,
"Doug" writes:


Not quite...........what you describe with the airplane analogy is indeed
theft, no question about it. What downloading music is like, is I go to the
airport and make a copy of your airplane and take it for a spin. At no time
was your airplane unavailable for your use.

Doug



Oh but you are paying for it. That radio station has paid advertisers who use
the station to get you to buy their products. You are paying the advertiser,
the advertiser pays the station, and the station pays a fee for every time they
play the song. The fee is dependent on the ratings of the station and varies
based on the number of rated listners.

It is NOT free.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Bob
I'm not sure , but I think you are responding to the wrong person. Anyway,
my point isn't whether it's ethically or morally right or wrong to download
music , but that to call it 'theft' or 'stealing' is not correct. It 'isn't'
theft, it's copyright infringement and trying to equate that to theft is
wrong.

Doug


"RobertR237" wrote in message
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In article
e.rogers.com,
"Doug" writes:


Not quite...........what you describe with the airplane analogy is indeed
theft, no question about it. What downloading music is like, is I go to
the
airport and make a copy of your airplane and take it for a spin. At no
time
was your airplane unavailable for your use.

Doug



Oh but you are paying for it. That radio station has paid advertisers who
use
the station to get you to buy their products. You are paying the
advertiser,
the advertiser pays the station, and the station pays a fee for every time
they
play the song. The fee is dependent on the ratings of the station and
varies
based on the number of rated listners.

It is NOT free.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

In article gers.com, "Doug"
writes:


Bob
I'm not sure , but I think you are responding to the wrong person. Anyway,
my point isn't whether it's ethically or morally right or wrong to download
music , but that to call it 'theft' or 'stealing' is not correct. It 'isn't'
theft, it's copyright infringement and trying to equate that to theft is
wrong.

Doug



Sorry Doug, but I can not accept that, it remains theft as far as I am
concerned.

But in either case, it is WRONG!

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

From The Concise Oxford Dictionary

theft n. (Law) dishonest appropriation of another's property with intent to
deprive him of it permanently.

In no way does downloading music from the internet fit the definition of
theft. It is copyright infringement and nothing else.

BTW , shouting doesn't make you right, it only makes you LOUD.

Doug


"RobertR237" wrote
Sorry Doug, but I can not accept that, it remains theft as far as I am
concerned.

But in either case, it is WRONG!

Bob Reed

In article ogers.com, "Doug"
writes:


From The Concise Oxford Dictionary

theft n. (Law) dishonest appropriation of another's property with intent to
deprive him of it permanently.

In no way does downloading music from the internet fit the definition of
theft. It is copyright infringement and nothing else.

BTW , shouting doesn't make you right, it only makes you LOUD.

Doug


Theft
b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

No matter how you try to justify it, it is the unlawful taking of property, it
still is theft and it still is wrong.

BTW, if you are going to try and use the dictionary to prove your points, you
need to learn to read all the definitions and try to understand their meaning.
You obviously stopped when you thought you found something to justify your
point.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)