Cirrus SR22 Purchase advice needed.

C,

Well, we realize that you think this plane was built by the flawless gods,

Why the ad hominems? Just because I don't agree with you?

The Cirrus cannot.


Again: how do you know? Data, please.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
C,

Well, we realize that you think this plane was built by the flawless
gods,

Why the ad hominems? Just because I don't agree with you?

Your POV is taking on the tone of a religious fanatic. You seem unwilling to
accept any criticism of the Cirrus whatsoever, even well-established facts.


The Cirrus cannot.


Again: how do you know? Data, please.

Cirrus' own web site says so. So does the POH. The Cirrus cannot recover
from a spin without pulling the parachute and did not do so in tests. The
parachute cannot be deployed below 900' AGL. Therefore, the Cirrus cannot
recover from a spin when below 900' AGL. Many other aircraft can. So far,
however, you have been unwilling to accept any data that disagrees with your
point of view.

C,

The Cirrus cannot recover
from a spin without pulling the parachute and did not do so in tests


Ok, quote me where it says that in the POH.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

In article , Thomas Borchert
wrote:

C,

The Cirrus cannot recover
from a spin without pulling the parachute and did not do so in tests


Ok, quote me where it says that in the POH.

SR22 POH, Section 3 Emergency Procedures, page 20 (3-20)

In article , EDR
wrote:

In article , Thomas Borchert
wrote:

C,

The Cirrus cannot recover
from a spin without pulling the parachute and did not do so in tests


Ok, quote me where it says that in the POH.

SR22 POH, Section 3 Emergency Procedures, page 20 (3-20)

Section 3 Cirrus Design
Emergency Procedures SR22
Spins
The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or
certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and
demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus
Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section).
Because of this, if the aircraft ³departs controlled flight,² the CAPS
must be deployed.
While the stall characteristics of the SR22 make accidental entry into a
spin extremely unlikely, it is possible. Spin entry can be avoided by
using good airmanship: coordinated use of controls in turns, proper
airspeed control following the recommendations of this Handbook, and
never abusing the flight controls with accelerated inputs when close to
the stall (see Stalls, Section 4).
If, at the stall, the controls are misapplied and abused accelerated
inputs are made to the elevator, rudder and/or ailerons, an abrupt wing
drop may be felt and a spiral or spin may be entered. In some cases it
may be difficult to determine if the aircraft has entered a spiral or
the beginning of a spin.
ï WARNING ï
In all cases, if the aircraft enters an unusual attitude from
which recovery is not expected before ground impact,
immediate deployment of the CAPS is required.
The minimum demonstrated altitude loss for a CAPS
deployment from a one-turn spin is 920 feet. Activation at
higher altitudes provides enhanced safety margins for
parachute recoveries. Do not waste time and altitude trying to
recover from a spiral/spin before activating CAPS.
Inadvertent Spin Entry
1. CAPS .................................................. Activate

Edr,

The Cirrus cannot recover
from a spin without pulling the parachute and did not do so in tests


As I thought: nowhere does it say it "cannot recover from a spin without
pulling the parachute and did not do so in tests". It says "has not been
demonstrated". There's a subtle but important difference.

Oh, and a question: Using the common method of spin recovery from a one turn
spin on, say, a Bonanza, what's the altitude loss? Less than 920 feet? Much
less? I wouldn't think so. There goes the coffin corner...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:

As I thought: nowhere does it say it "cannot recover from a spin without
pulling the parachute and did not do so in tests". It says "has not been
demonstrated". There's a subtle but important difference.

Bull. That's no difference at all.

George Patterson
If you don't tell lies, you never have to remember what you said.

Thomas Borchert wrote:
Edr,


The Cirrus cannot recover
from a spin without pulling the parachute and did not do so in tests


As I thought: nowhere does it say it "cannot recover from a spin without
pulling the parachute and did not do so in tests". It says "has not been
demonstrated". There's a subtle but important difference.

Thomas,

IMHO you are right and wrong. I agree that the SR-[20,22] may be
recoverable from spin. The POH just says that it was not demonstrated
during the certification process ( my guess is they saved time and
money at that point ). In practice you do what the POH says in a
situation like that.

Greetings
Dieter

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:23:46 +0000, EDR wrote:
1. CAPS .................................................. Activate

To me, that seems to spell out, if you're in a spin at less than 900ft,
you better use CAPS or you're toast. Furthermore, it spells out, if
you're in that situation, don't bother trying to recover. Just use CAPS.

I'd have to give the point to EDR.

Greg,

Again: Using the common method of spin recovery from a one turn
spin on, say, a Bonanza, what's the altitude loss? Less than 920 feet?
Much less? I wouldn't think so.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)