21st Century Grumman Tiger in South Florida

Just the retreads.

The people that are investing in new airframes need our support. Next time
you here some so and so throw out a cute remark about how nothing was or
will ever be better than a "blank", just smack them. They are trying to
sound old and wise and cool, but they are killing GA.

If the plane you always wanted is now being made new, and you want one, then
buy it. But don't go around saying people are stupid for buying one of the
new planes. I am tired of hearing it from people who don't know I have one.

Mostly, its old FBO guys who start eating their words when they realize they
just PO'd a likely customer. They also get dumb looks on their faces when I
point out that their business has never grown because they NEVER changed it.
Can anyone point out an industry with less change that has grown?

Believe it or not, there have been advances in everything except aviation
for the last forty years. The first really new piston designs since the
sixties are now out, and many of them ARE superior.

I will get off the stump now, thanks.


"Stu Gotts" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:21:21 GMT, "OtisWinslow"
wrote:

Tigers are fast, fun, simple airplanes. But I doubt I'd spend $225k+ for
a
new
one when you can find nice used ones with exactly the same performance
for
a third of that.

Yes, but isn't that true of all the new planes?

I have to agree with Dude on his assement of Old vs. New. The panel on this
Gruman is definately 21st century. It has 2, (TWO), yes more than one,
identical Garmin GNS 430's. The cost of these two items is about the same as
an entire average 1975 Cessna 150. Add the rest of the plane, and you can
quickly see some true value in it. The autopilot is slaved to the GPS, so
push a few buttons, find your airport, and you're there. I've played with an
autopilot in a 30 year old C172; it makes the wings level out. Truly nothing
like the rig in this Tiger.

The 180Hp engine kicks up a storm, and the plane just handles like a rocket.
One of my favorite pieces of the Tiger are the yolks. Both grips are wrapped
in leather, and the pilot's side has several controls, including the
autopilot select/activate.

I can't say enough about how much fun this plane is, and will post some
photos in the next week or so.

Thanks for the support, DUDE!

Marty from Wonderful West Palm Beach

ps. If you're interested in a fractional ownership for this plane, please
tap me an email or call Marty at
561.478.1098. My email is - just dump the z's and
change the yyy to .net
Have all the fun and prestige at a fraction of the cost !!!!




"Dude" wrote in message
...
Just the retreads.

The people that are investing in new airframes need our support. Next
time
you here some so and so throw out a cute remark about how nothing was or
will ever be better than a "blank", just smack them. They are trying to
sound old and wise and cool, but they are killing GA.

If the plane you always wanted is now being made new, and you want one,
then
buy it. But don't go around saying people are stupid for buying one of the
new planes. I am tired of hearing it from people who don't know I have
one.

Mostly, its old FBO guys who start eating their words when they realize
they
just PO'd a likely customer. They also get dumb looks on their faces when
I
point out that their business has never grown because they NEVER changed
it.
Can anyone point out an industry with less change that has grown?

Believe it or not, there have been advances in everything except aviation
for the last forty years. The first really new piston designs since the
sixties are now out, and many of them ARE superior.

I will get off the stump now, thanks.


"Stu Gotts" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:21:21 GMT, "OtisWinslow"
wrote:

Tigers are fast, fun, simple airplanes. But I doubt I'd spend $225k+
for
a
new
one when you can find nice used ones with exactly the same performance
for
a third of that.

Yes, but isn't that true of all the new planes?

In article , Dude wrote:
Just the retreads.

If it was right in the wind tunnel in 1975, it's right in the wind
tunnel today. A brand new Grumman is still a good plane, so don't just
write it off. But...

The people that are investing in new airframes need our support. Next time
you here some so and so throw out a cute remark about how nothing was or
will ever be better than a "blank", just smack them. They are trying to
sound old and wise and cool, but they are killing GA.

....but if I had the sort of money to buy a brand new plane, it'd be the
new Cirrus with the all-glass cockpit. It looks absolutely fantastic.
Or possibly a Diamond Twin Star. (I've flown the single-engine DA-40
Star, and it is very lustworthy)

There seems to be a lot of OWTs about composite planes - you can just
look at the experience with glass gliders over the past 25 years to see
that most of them are just that - old wives tales.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

I don't have anything against the Tigers, or really, what I call the
"retreads". They are mostly all excellent machines and the people who build
them are doing good work.

New Tiger took a big financial risk to bring back a cult favorite. It was a
good design that makes some good trade offs. I never understood why they
did not sell more in the first place.

OTOH, I am dissappointed in a certain market leader that has the financial
ability to take the risk on a new plane, but will not. That is a perfectly
acceptable business decision for them. Unfortunately, they are doing
several things to poison the market and GA in order to continue milking the
business they have.

Nothing against the planes, but I personally wish something would change
with the situation.




"Dylan Smith" wrote in message
...
In article , Dude wrote:
Just the retreads.

If it was right in the wind tunnel in 1975, it's right in the wind
tunnel today. A brand new Grumman is still a good plane, so don't just
write it off. But...

The people that are investing in new airframes need our support. Next
time
you here some so and so throw out a cute remark about how nothing was or
will ever be better than a "blank", just smack them. They are trying to
sound old and wise and cool, but they are killing GA.

...but if I had the sort of money to buy a brand new plane, it'd be the
new Cirrus with the all-glass cockpit. It looks absolutely fantastic.
Or possibly a Diamond Twin Star. (I've flown the single-engine DA-40
Star, and it is very lustworthy)

There seems to be a lot of OWTs about composite planes - you can just
look at the experience with glass gliders over the past 25 years to see
that most of them are just that - old wives tales.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

The certain market leader is getting their lunch eaten by Cirrus, who last
year sold more piston engine singles. They will probably have to put up
something new or exit the market sooner or later.

"Dude" wrote in message
...
OTOH, I am dissappointed in a certain market leader that has the financial
ability to take the risk on a new plane, but will not. That is a
perfectly
acceptable business decision for them. Unfortunately, they are doing
several things to poison the market and GA in order to continue milking
the
business they have.

Unfortunately, they have too much power to go easily, even thought they
really do not want the business. Being publicly owned, they need a way to
get our gracefully and profitably. They have lost the passion, but that
just makes them even more dangerous.

"Jeremy Lew" wrote in message
...
The certain market leader is getting their lunch eaten by Cirrus, who last
year sold more piston engine singles. They will probably have to put up
something new or exit the market sooner or later.

"Dude" wrote in message
...
OTOH, I am dissappointed in a certain market leader that has the
financial
ability to take the risk on a new plane, but will not. That is a
perfectly
acceptable business decision for them. Unfortunately, they are doing
several things to poison the market and GA in order to continue milking
the
business they have.

Jeremy Lew wrote:

The certain market leader is getting their lunch eaten by Cirrus, who last
year sold more piston engine singles. They will probably have to put up
something new or exit the market sooner or later.

It is sad as you have to believe that a company with Cessna's resources
could design a might fine composite airplane. However, I'll also bet it
is the lawyers and not the engineers that are in the way. The liability
of a new design with new materials would be enormous and Cessna has a
lot to loss unlike Cirrus and the other upstarts.

I also think Cessna won't remain long in the SE market. They make more
on the jets and have a lot less liability per dollar with them as well.


Matt