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Old July 18th 04, 11:31 AM
Thomas Borchert
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Dan,

For a new, 4-place design, yes.


Absolutely no! Totally depends on the mission. It doesn't fit yours,
even with the long range tanks, because you need to move four people
all the time over long distances? Ok, the Star is not for you. But I
truly wonder how many people really need that.

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Old July 18th 04, 02:30 PM
Dan Luke
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote:
For a new, 4-place design, yes.


Absolutely no! Totally depends on the mission. It doesn't
fit yours, even with the long range tanks, because you need
to move four people all the time over long distances? Ok,
the Star is not for you. But I truly wonder how many people
really need that.


In Europe it is different, no doubt. But the D-40 seems too well
equipped to be just another C-172/Archer level puddle jumper. I really
like a lot of things about the airplane, it's just too bad it can't
carry a little more a little farther.
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Old July 18th 04, 04:47 PM
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Dan,

In Europe, the Diesel is a total winner.

As for the other things, IMHO it really depends on the mission. I see
the DA40 showing up at more and more FBOs in the US. I can't see any
negatives comparing them to a new 172 - and a lot of positives. IMHO, a
creating a new 172/Archer makes a lot of sense, since both leave a lot
to be desired - speed among them. Even if you only think of the Star as
a 172 that's 20 knots faster, you stilll have a winner. And that
doesn't take into account how well it flies and the great visibility.

The amazing thing to me is that the SR20, similarly equipped, is just
10 or 15k more expensive. IMHO, you get a whole lot more airplane for
that money. But then, for Europe, they don't have the right engine for
the SR20 - and according to Cirrus, none is in sight, either.

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Old July 19th 04, 02:31 AM
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"Thomas Borchert" wrote:
In Europe, the Diesel is a total winner.


It should be here, too.

IMHO, a creating a new 172/Archer makes a lot of sense,
since both leave a lot to be desired - speed among them.


I suppose so. It just disappointed me when such a good-looking airplane
appeared but didn't quite manage to be a replacement for the one I
already have.

Even if you only think of the Star as a 172 that's 20 knots
faster, you stilll have a winner.


We'll see.

And that doesn't take into account how well it flies and the great

visibility.

As I said, it's an attractive airplane.

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Old July 19th 04, 09:19 AM
Thomas Borchert
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Dan,

In Europe, the Diesel is a total winner.


It should be here, too.


A totally new concept for an engine? In the US pilot community? Come
on, you gotta be kidding. half g

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Old July 19th 04, 05:06 PM
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Dan Luke wrote:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote:
In Europe, the Diesel is a total winner.


It should be here, too.


There's no good argument for using them in the States. Gas isn't that much more
expensive (if at all) than Jet-A, and gas is readily available in the lower 48. When
that changes, you'll see more diesels here. Do a comparison of the diesel and gas
Maules. The diesel costs more, is slower (due to cooling drag), and carries less
weight (the engine weighs more). I also think it's pretty ugly, with that Hawker
Typhoon style cowling, but that's a personal opinion.

George Patterson
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In Tennessee, it's evangelism.
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Old July 19th 04, 06:52 PM
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Dan Luke wrote:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote:
In Europe, the Diesel is a total winner.


It should be here, too.


There's no good argument for using them in the States. Gas isn't that much

more
expensive (if at all) than Jet-A, and gas is readily available in the

lower 48. When
that changes, you'll see more diesels here. Do a comparison of the diesel

and gas
Maules. The diesel costs more, is slower (due to cooling drag), and

carries less
weight (the engine weighs more). I also think it's pretty ugly, with that

Hawker
Typhoon style cowling, but that's a personal opinion.



The trouble is that the days of 100LL are numbered.


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Old July 19th 04, 07:08 PM
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C J Campbell wrote:

The trouble is that the days of 100LL are numbered.


But nearly all of our engines can run just fine on high-grade unleaded. That's what
will be in the pumps a few years from now. Diesels are popular in Europe because
gasoline costs four times what diesel costs. They will also be a good idea for pilots
who fly to places where gas is hard to get, like some parts of Canada and Alaska. As
long as there's something at the airport or the corner gas station that makes an
O-whatever work well, and that fuel isn't significantly more expensive than diesel,
diesels will not be common in U.S. GA aircraft.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.
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Old July 19th 04, 08:41 PM
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C J Campbell wrote:



The trouble is that the days of 100LL are numbered.


I keep hearing that. And hearing that. And hearing that....

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Old July 20th 04, 12:28 AM
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There is a good argument, potentially, cost of operation.

The Centurion could, if well supported, and up to its marketing, replace
about every engine in the 140 to 180 HP range. That is a lot of engines.
Only problem is the chicken and the egg.

Who will pay to get all the mechanics trained? Will they put together good
english manuals, pdf's, videos? Will there be someone to call during normal
US hours who speaks english and knows the engine and the FAA regs?

100LL is not necessarily going away, but its possible that when it does, it
will go quickly. Also, the less we use, the more expensive it will get ( at
least that is my guess, perhaps someone else knows better.)




"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


Dan Luke wrote:

"Thomas Borchert" wrote:
In Europe, the Diesel is a total winner.


It should be here, too.


There's no good argument for using them in the States. Gas isn't that much

more
expensive (if at all) than Jet-A, and gas is readily available in the

lower 48. When
that changes, you'll see more diesels here. Do a comparison of the diesel

and gas
Maules. The diesel costs more, is slower (due to cooling drag), and

carries less
weight (the engine weighs more). I also think it's pretty ugly, with that

Hawker
Typhoon style cowling, but that's a personal opinion.

George Patterson
In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony

assault.
In Tennessee, it's evangelism.



 




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