Which plane for 5 small pax?

Someone metioned 'Rental' in one of the replies. Since I started flying
regularly I have decided I do not want to make a habit of taking my entire
family along on flights every weekend. It's suprising how many of my pilot
friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced landing.

On the rare occassions when I need to carry my entire family, I can rent a
Cherokee Six. The rest of the time it just me and a friend or two
travelling by Archer.

Regards,
Mike

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/amountainaero/fspic1.html
"Kyler Laird" wrote in message
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"Jim Burns" writes:

If you plan on flying Part 91, there is no requirement for each passenger
to
have their own seatbelt.

Hmmm...I recently got a card for an STC to stick three people in
the back of my Aztec. I'm just Part 91 so I wonder what good the
STC would do?

--kyler

"Mike Noel" wrote in message
...
Someone metioned 'Rental' in one of the replies. Since I started flying
regularly I have decided I do not want to make a habit of taking my entire
family along on flights every weekend. It's suprising how many of my
pilot
friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced landing.


That was my thought when I posted. I should have explained more. I have
friends that bought larger aircraft only to realize that they usually fly
solo or with a single passenger. Buying small and renting big could be
money ahead.

Mike,

It's suprising how many of my pilot
friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced landing.


Hmm, than you must have a statistically highly unlikely combination of
friends. Engine failures are EXTREMELY rare events and even rarer as the
cause of fatal accidents.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Engine failures are not rare with piston aircraft engines. I know a pilot
with 16 failures in Beach 18s alone and I read somewhere that about 10% of
Malibus have had partial or total engine failures.

Mike
MU-2

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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Mike,

It's suprising how many of my pilot
friends have a story about an engine failure followed by a forced
landing.


Hmm, than you must have a statistically highly unlikely combination of
friends. Engine failures are EXTREMELY rare events and even rarer as the
cause of fatal accidents.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Mike Rapoport" writes:

Engine failures are not rare with piston aircraft engines. I know a pilot
with 16 failures in Beach 18s alone and I read somewhere that about 10% of
Malibus have had partial or total engine failures.

Neat. But as far as your average spam can with O320-O360-O470 engines,
are engine failures really all that common?

We all know someone who had that happen, but I bet we all know a whole
lot more of someones who never had that happen.

Just a guess though.

-jav

I agree that the record is probably better with the less stressed engines.
I guess it depends on one's definition of "common". If it is likely to
occur in a lifetime of flying, say 5000hrs, then I would say that it is not
"rare".

Mike
MU-2


"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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"Mike Rapoport" writes:

Engine failures are not rare with piston aircraft engines. I know a
pilot
with 16 failures in Beach 18s alone and I read somewhere that about 10%
of
Malibus have had partial or total engine failures.

Neat. But as far as your average spam can with O320-O360-O470 engines,
are engine failures really all that common?

We all know someone who had that happen, but I bet we all know a whole
lot more of someones who never had that happen.

Just a guess though.

-jav

Mike,

Sentences starting with

I know a pilot


rarely follow up with valid statistics. And the statistics say it's a
minor occurence across all of piston GA.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 08:41:36 +0200, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Mike,

Sentences starting with

I know a pilot


rarely follow up with valid statistics. And the statistics say it's a
minor occurence across all of piston GA.

And the stats are highly unreliable.
How many of this type in incident go unreported? If nothing happens
it doesn't even require reporting.

I had the diaphragm fail on the fuel distribution block on top of the
engine. Unfortunately I was somewhere between 30 and 50 feet climbing
at 100 MPH. The engine quit dead. I landed, coasted off the runway,
and had it fixed.

BTW, it drove home the point to me at least, all that training paid
off. There was absolutely no stopping to think about what to do. I
know the feel of the plane and my body reacted by lowering the nose to
keep the control pressure the same. I landed without incident and not
even a need to change underwear. I was surprised at how little runway
it took to climb to that altitude at that speed and land.

It's like using the stats on VFR flight into IMC. How many who survive
are going to admit it. I would expect those stats to be highly skewed
and the problem to be much more frequent than the data shows.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

What statistics? There are no statistics on piston engine failures that I
know of. How about: "every pilot I have ever met with over 10,000hrs in
piston airplanes has had at least one engine failure"? It is interesting
that the NTSB does not even require a report if a piston engine fails.

Mike
MU-2


"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Mike,

Sentences starting with

I know a pilot


rarely follow up with valid statistics. And the statistics say it's a
minor occurence across all of piston GA.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Mike Noel wrote:

It's suprising how many of my pilot friends have a story about
an engine failure followed by a forced landing.

I'd be more surprised with those that managed to continue flight, after
an engine failure...