Philosophical question on owning & IFR rating

Bob Miller wrote:

It sounds like you're assuming you need an IFR GPS for approaches.
I'm suggesting using the GPS for backup xc navigation and using
VOR/ADF/RNAV/DME/ILS approaches.

Let's say you have an aircraft with a LORAN, a NAV/COM with glide slope receiver, and
a marker beacon receiver. The radio stack is full, but you have a spare 3.5" hole in
the panel. Would you -

a. Replace the LORAN with an approach certified GPS.
b. Add a NARCO 121 NAV in the round hole.
c. Replace the intercom with an audio panel and MBR and replace the MBR with a NAV
unit or slim NAV/COM.
d. Something else.

As always, money's tight, so I would pick b, though c also is attractive. Your
choice? Panel can be seen at
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...rson/panel.jpg

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

b. Add a NARCO 121 NAV in the round hole. With Glideslope.

Get an autopilot to fit the hole.

PInc972390 wrote:

b. Add a NARCO 121 NAV in the round hole. With Glideslope.

Get an autopilot to fit the hole.

Good idea, but that still leaves me with the problem of handling approaches in which
the FAF is the intersection of radials from two VORs. Any solution I can think of
fills that hole with either a radio or a CDI.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

In article ,
"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

PInc972390 wrote:

b. Add a NARCO 121 NAV in the round hole. With Glideslope.

Get an autopilot to fit the hole.

Good idea, but that still leaves me with the problem of handling approaches
in which
the FAF is the intersection of radials from two VORs. Any solution I can
think of
fills that hole with either a radio or a CDI.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

Get a GPS. Some of them have built-in CDI right on the front panel
display. I don't find them very convenient, but they are legal.

Roy Smith wrote:

Get a GPS. Some of them have built-in CDI right on the front panel
display. I don't find them very convenient, but they are legal.

I thought you had to have a separate CDI to use one as a primary navigation tool for
approaches. Is that incorrect?

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

In article ,
"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Roy Smith wrote:

Get a GPS. Some of them have built-in CDI right on the front panel
display. I don't find them very convenient, but they are legal.

I thought you had to have a separate CDI to use one as a primary navigation
tool for approaches. Is that incorrect?

My understanding (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong) is that some
of the newer units (I'm thinking specifically of the CNX-80) are
certified such that you don't need an external CDI, as long as the unit
is mounted so that the built-in one is within some specified distance
from the pilot's center of vision, or some such.

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:04:32 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:

In article ,
"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

Roy Smith wrote:

Get a GPS. Some of them have built-in CDI right on the front panel
display. I don't find them very convenient, but they are legal.

I thought you had to have a separate CDI to use one as a primary navigation
tool for approaches. Is that incorrect?

My understanding (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong) is that some
of the newer units (I'm thinking specifically of the CNX-80) are
certified such that you don't need an external CDI, as long as the unit
is mounted so that the built-in one is within some specified distance
from the pilot's center of vision, or some such.


As I understand it a "separate" CDI means one not shared by two
navigation devices (radios). Having the built in display adheres to
the separate requirement. I don't believe there is any requirement to
use an external display.

HTH.
z

In article ,
Roy Smith wrote:
My understanding (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong) is that some
of the newer units (I'm thinking specifically of the CNX-80) are
certified such that you don't need an external CDI, as long as the unit
is mounted so that the built-in one is within some specified distance
from the pilot's center of vision, or some such.

I think that applies to the annunciator (msg, ptk) which is displayed in
the lower-lefthand corner of the CNX-80. I don't think it applies to
the CDI, but you could download the install guide from Garmin's site and
find out. I looked into it once. Sadly my radio stack is too far from
the centerline.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

(PInc972390) wrote in message ...
b. Add a NARCO 121 NAV in the round hole. With Glideslope.

Get an autopilot to fit the hole.

It's always been my impression that installing an autopilot is a
big-money proposition. I'd love to have even a 1-axis unit in my 172
but I've been led to believe that's talking 10k range by the time it's
all done.

-cwk.

In article ,
(C Kingsbury) wrote:

(PInc972390) wrote in message
...
b. Add a NARCO 121 NAV in the round hole. With Glideslope.

Get an autopilot to fit the hole.

It's always been my impression that installing an autopilot is a
big-money proposition. I'd love to have even a 1-axis unit in my 172
but I've been led to believe that's talking 10k range by the time it's
all done.

nah, it's not that much, probably less than $6,000 (especially if
you don't put in a new DG). I had an STEC 40 put in my cherokee 140
at the same time as a KX-155, Strikefinder, cooling fan, and DG.
That bill was a bit over $15,000.

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.